THOSE WHO DENIGRATE THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS IN THE ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY FORM SHOULD TAKE NOTE

Submitted by LocutusOP on Sun, 11/19/2017 - 20:17
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Henry, John Nolan, Victor       

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 20:15
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THOSE WHO DENIGRATE THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS IN THE ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY FORM SHOULD TAKE NOTE

 

Henry said...

Ask the wrong question . . . and get a wrong answer.

The right question is not what kind of Mass the predominantly protestantized congregations now attending Mass want. No surprise that they're probably satisfied with the protestantized Mass that made them that way.

It's what kind of Mass will begin to change these "Protestants who attend Sunday Mass" into faithful believing and worshiping Catholics.

November 16, 2017 at 3:11 PM

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John Nolan said...

When Catholics lapse they do not, as a rule, join another denomination. They just stop going to church. They then marry outside the Church and don't bother to get their children baptized or brought up in the Faith.

Those who lapsed (or became irregular attenders) on account of liturgical changes or Humanae Vitae did so decades ago. Dislike of the 'new Mass' did not imply loss of faith; quite the opposite in fact. Deciding to ignore HV may have led to wider dissent from Catholic moral teaching although it impossible to generalize.

When a 2000-year-old institution, which claims supernatural authority and is rightly regarded as the mainstay of Western civilization, decides to transform itself almost overnight into an organization in which few things are certain anymore, it can hardly avoid precipitating a crisis. The seeds sown in the 1960s bore fruit in the 1970s.

What made thousands of priests abandon their ministry and contract marriages which are objectively invalid, since Holy Orders are a diriment impediment to matrimony? Why did the Jesuits, once rock solid, embrace heresy? How does one account for the loss of vocations to the priesthood and religious life?

It's hardly surprising, given the background of the last half-century, that the 'pilgrim people' took the Latin 'peregrinus' literally and wandered off. The crisis of confidence gets worse. Benedict XVI identified the problem but left it for someone else to sort out. His successor has managed to set bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal in what looks like a deliberate strategy. The atmosphere in the Vatican has been described as 'toxic' by insiders, with a culture of bullying and intimidation spreading downwards.

Acute observers in the 1960s, both Catholic and non-Catholic, questioned the wisdom of entrusting the barque of Peter to the shifting sands of modern relativism. I would submit that their gloomy prognostications have been proved correct. As for liturgy, what happens in your average Anglican Church differs little from what goes on in your average Catholic one, and both denominations are declining in tandem.

November 18, 2017 at 7:18 AM

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Victor said...

Mr Nolan:
I do not think the barque was entrusted to these shifting sands of modern relativism, but rather, there was a successful underhanded effort at deception that did so. The modernists who were still in hiding until WWII were able to greatly influence the outcome of the Council, and, of course, took over the realisation of the Council's mandates thereafter.

November 19, 2017 at 9:30 AM

 

Own comment: 

If one is committed to Vatican II, it is no wonder that one will entirely miss the point regarding the necessity or returning to the Tridentine Mass - the authentic Mass of Latin Rite Catholics.

I agree with the commenters above: Those Catholics who have left or who are still in it cannot be excpeted to be good judges of the inadequacy of the Novus Ordo Missae since they have probably already succumbed to its machinations. Those who left before hand may have left because they disapproved of the Church's teachings, but a large number probably also left because they recognised no holiness in the new rite whatsoever.

Indeed, as the observation went: If the Church is of divine origin and forms the backbone of Western civilisation, then abandons her forcal point, it is not surprising that chaos will ensue, as indeed it has.

On another point, it is difficult to figure Fr. Allan McDonald out. He often comes very close to getting it, yet often manages to miss the point. It is probably because he is committed to Vatican II, the council that makes victims out of all its well-meaning defendants.