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Pierre, ByzRC, John Nolan , Anonymous
Pierre said...
Cardinal Tardini was fortunate not to have lived to see the destruction of the Roman Rite
August 1, 2020 at 10:08 AM
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ByzRC said...
Agree. However, the rites/ceremonial (if, that is what is/was called) needed to be cleaned up, not scorched-earth reformed. Watching the old clips, it seems that only Dante knew where to stand, where to go and had his hands full playing traffic cop for many. Too complicated for too little gain. The beauty could have been retained, just simplified.
August 1, 2020 at 12:00 PM... John Nolan said...
What you are seeing here is full papal court ceremonial, which was rarely used. Pius XII had little time for it, and preferred to celebrate the papal Low Mass, or preside without celebrating. There is an interesting YouTube clip of Pius celebrating a PLM in 1942. John XXIII, on the other hand, rather enjoyed all the pomp and circumstance. At his coronation he even revived elements which had fallen into disuse.
Paul VI could have done away with most of the court ceremonial yet left the liturgy intact. Unfortunately he threw out the baby with the bathwater.
August 1, 2020 at 1:45 PM
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Anonymous said...
But then there is the other extreme---the funeral of the "sainted" John Lewis at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church this past Thursday. No candles...no altar...really no structure, virtually just a parade of endless platitudes, including one from the most recent former president who at one time lamented voters who "stuck to their guns, their religion" and so on. And he accuses Trump of being a divider?!? Ok, there were a few scripture readings and at least the (pro-choice) pastor had a ministerial robe on, but compare that with a Catholic funeral where the focus, thankfully, is not on endless eulogies!!!
August 1, 2020 at 4:53 PM
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Anonymous said...
Concerning the John Lewis funeral. How many priests can speak about politics in the pulpit and get away with it? And there was no social distancing. Another mortal sin.
August 3, 2020 at 9:40 AM
If you want to make a case for "noble simplicity" - whatever that means in the case of the NOChurch liturgical reforms - then you would do well to base your case on something other than a Requiem Mass for a cardinal presided over by a pope. This is not an ordinary occurrence and hardly anybody but the master of ceremony will be aquainted with all the details.
Whenever Novus Ordites try to make a case for some nonsendical decree from Vatican II they always seem to chose examples which defeat their case.
In this particular case, one solution might have been to appoint more cardinals so that you would have more funerals so that people would not be confused! If confusion during the liturgy is such a big concern to you, then that is surely a better option than destroying the venerable Roman Rite and replacing it with a joke of a liturgy which has split the Catholic Church far more than anything previously imposed upon Her.