Francis: Homosexuals “should not be accepted into the ministry or consecrated life.”

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Sawyer, FrAnt, Joe in Canadaanthtan, Gil Garza,Julia12, Massachusetts Catholic Late for heaven , Kathleen10, VP, bobbird, tho,  JARay, Unwilling , RKR , pbnelson , KateD    

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - 23:45
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Sawyer says:

Let’s see what Fr. James Martin, S.J. has to say in response to the pope’s remarks. If those same remarks had been made by Cardinal Burke or Arinze or Sarah or by a faithful U.S. bishop, Martin would have tweeted faux outrage (as he has done before) about not being welcoming or pastoral or accepting or understanding or accompanying. Now that it comes from Pope Francis, what will Martin have to say? And if he doesn’t call out the pope like he’s done to others who made similar remarks, then you know Fr. Martin is a cowardly sycophant.

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FrAnt says:

What prompted this? There’s a big “but” coming.

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Joe in Canada says:

I hope he’s not talking only about ‘active homosexuality’. A priest might live perfect continence but his choices of recreation, vacation, tone of voice, type of humor, etc, can scandalize or confuse people. I knew a priest once who liked to say “aren’t I naughty?!”

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anthtan says:

Curious. What happened to “Who am I to judge?”?

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Gil Garza says:

I believe that Francis has handed his critics a pilón.

A pilón is a candied treat of little value meant to convey personal affection and the high regard of the recipient. A Peronist leader uses pilóns to secure the support of factions although they may be highly opposed to one other, within the government. Each faction therefore feels highly regarded within the coalition and treasures their pilón.

A Peronist uses personal outreach and pilóns to secure the support of each group while he uses the official means of their administration to plot an unspoken path. The course of the Peronist government may be directly opposed to a particular group or faction of groups. However, the Peronist leader uses the pilón and his personal outreach to make that group or faction feel like part of the ruling coalition, despite the actions of his government.

The allure of the Peronist form of government is the total control of all aspects of society in which the answer to every problem in society is the government. The Peronist is a fascist form of totalitarianism in which seductive exercise absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Right or wrong, this is really interesting commentary about Peronism.]

 

Julia12 says:

Francis the Peronist strikes again.

 

 

Massachusetts Catholic says:

Gee, is the old “Who am I to judge” now out of date? What about all those priests involved in gay controversies he has surrounded himself with? Are we to forget all that and now look ahead? What kind of leader changes his tune monthly?

Late for heaven says:

I no longer pay any attention to any words spoken by Pope Francis. I watch what he does. All his actions contradict these words.

Two bird hunters went into the woods one day. They wept as they walked and called out their sorrow for the poor birds. Three birds, listening, were moved by their pity for them and came closer and closer to listen, all but one old wise bird and the young bird who followed him. The birds drew so close that the hunters were able to shoot very many of them, weeping all the while. After the hunters had gone the young bird said how sad this tragedy was and how how many tears the hunters shed. Yes my son, said the old bird. They made a great noise. But watch their hands.

Late for heaven says:

Should be: THE birds, listening….

 

Kathleen10 says:

Nothing says don’t look at me Feds like a declaration. But it ain’t-a-gonna worrrk.

Nice story Late for heaven. Actions do indeed speak much louder than words.

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VP says:

“But watch their hands.”

Someone was probably updating the Catechism while Francis was speaking.

 

bobbird says:

Aside from the warnings given, which are spot-on, I also note what the pope DIDN’T say: He did not denounce same-sex marriage and the new “Cupich Paradigm”, he did not denounce clerics (such as himself) who have denied that homosexual/heterosexual violations of celibacy in clerical behavior is the problem. Besides a “But” coming, this might be a weak attempt at “damage control” from the fall-out coming from Baltimore.

tho says:

We are still mired in a hierarchy that practices deceit. Bishop Morlino defined celibacy as a sacrifice, whereby true and holy priests, through a love for Jesus Christ, give up a life of marriage and family. The two strongest marks of a man is self preservation and the desire to reproduce, to forego both, or either one is a tremendous sacrifice and it can only be accomplished by uniting ones self with Jesus. A byproduct of that is happiness. No one can know true happiness like a holy priest because it is not episodic, it is forever.

JARay says:

I have been praying for Pope Francis. Can it be true that my prayers have actually been answered?!

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Unwilling says:

Chastity is not effortless in consecrated life, and a contemplative community is extremely intimate. Religious communities are single-sex for a natural human reason. See RB 22 & 53. The thought/anxiety that one of your fellows might be sexually objectifying you would greatly encumber your ability to “pray always”. Allowing in homosexuals would be a contradiction. E.g. I was told by a homosexual that (although an atheist) he resolved to enter a Benedictine monastery for the primary purpose that it would provide him with carnal access to “so many gorgeous men” [I don’t believe he went through with it, though he did more than once visit a house of that repute].

 

RKR says:

check out twitter, James Martin is already spinning it:

“This is closer to what @Pontifex said. Contrary to the many misleading headlines, he wasn’t arguing against gay priests, otherwise he wouldn’t have said they have to be “impeccably responsible.” He’s against gay priests who don’t lead celibate lives.”

pbnelson says:

This is good news, of course. But if there’s one thing I think we’ve all learned after five years of Francis, it’s watch what he does, not what he says. When he actually starts clearing out the Augean stables, then we’ll know this isn’t just more gaslighting. It pains me to be so cynical about my Holy Father but at this point in his pontificate actions speak louder than words.

KateD says:

What have we got to loose by encouraging Pope Francis in this forthright statement?

Isn’t this exactly what we have been hoping and praying for? A clear and concise condemnation of the problem of homosexualist priests?

Laud his courage. If it’s a Peronist ruse, we will know soon enough.

The truth has a way of floating up to the surface eventually.

 

 

Own comment: 

Even at Fr. Zurldorf's site - not exactly a hotbed of uncompromising traditionalists - nobody seems to believe what Bergoglio is alleged to have said about homosexuals not being fit for religious life.

Quite apart from the fact that his statements - contrary to pollyannic opinion - are far from firm, he still left himself more wiggle room than an anaconda.

As many were quick to point out though, Bergoglio's words mean nothing. All that matters is action, and Bergoglio's actions speak of his fondness for sodomy far more than any half-quotes ever could.