THE CORONAVIRUS: This Too Shall Pass (If we don't kill ourselves first)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 - 19:00
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Great post. I am for lent committed to staying away from news and politics as best as I can. This virus stuff makes it not easy as my wife is one of those who is panicking. Showing her this article did not convince her at all by the way. She just said that Michael Matt is not a doctor so I can't trust what he says. Continues to tell me I am not taking it seriously enough.

But yeah the media lies and any potential panic from the masses scares me 100 times more than the virus itself.

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  • Obama waited to declare the H1N1 virus a public health emergency until over 1,000 Americans had already died with +12,000 dying over a 12 month period. Meanwhile, with today’s Coronavirus, 21 Americans have died.

    and H1N1 just sailed into the memory hold.

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I have the solution that will/might make this virus go away. It's called the Consecration of Russia;)

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I am far more fearful of leftist ideas than I am of coronavirus. The implementation of leftist ideas have killed far more people in the last hundred years than has the Spanish flu and all the other various flu outbreaks that followed, including coronavirus, combined.

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I'd rather be on high-alert than low-alert. Keeping protection equipment around may not serve this time, but it might the next - so keep it handy. Those who have lost loved ones due to the virus may see this article as very cold and believe there could have been more warning. "Fear not, for I am with you always" by: God 

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    We’re not suggesting this isn’t a serious crisis. If they ask us to self-quarantine in our neighborhood, we will gladly comply. We're all in favor of intelligent preventive measures in Italy and everywhere else. But media-generated hysteria does no good for anyone on any level. And that’s what this article is about.

"Intelligent preventive measures" surely are not those applied by Italy - seclusion of people in their houses, towns, not permitting tourists return to their homes....and closing churches which has not happened in times of pests and plagues.

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  • But it should come as no surprise that the virus has spread like wildfire in Italy. Remember a few months ago the idol worship ceremony on Vatican grounds? The Lord warned of a great “pestilence” in Luke 21. Is this that pestilence? I have no idea. But the Novus Ordo Church has shown just how faithless it is by closing all Churches in Italy.

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    Those of us who followed the many nuances of the spread in China had time to prepare, without panic, and also without also falling into some of the fallacies you espouse in this article. I will respond to every claim you make:

    1. Doctors know what the Coronavirus is -- they are learning about it in real time, which is why early cases have a higher mortality rate, and also there are more infected health care workers early on (3000 in China, 10% of all health care workers in the front lines of this epidemic in Italy)

    2. They can test for it -- Surely, as proven by the CDC which has botched their test kits and still refuses to test some cases.

    3. They know it can be contained -- Nope, they are already stating that it cannot be contained and mitigation is the best approach.

    4. Catching it is not that easy (if we are careful) and we can kill it quite easily (provided we try) -- Certainly, this is why its "attack rate" is about 30% and in some clusters almost 100%, as seen in conferences, churches, pilgrimages, prisons, etc. across Iran, Italy, South Korea and China

    5. In most cases, symptoms are mild, and young people are at very low risk. According to a study of 45,000 confirmed infections in China, 81% of cases caused only minor illness, 14% of patients had symptoms described as “severe”, and just 5% were considered “critical”, with about half of those resulting in death. -- This study is biased as the numbers are from February 11, when many young cases were still resisting. Data from Italy shows that the old succumb first while the young are still fighting the illness, but they also later start having problems, even though mortality rates are lower. See what the average time to recover has been, even for young cases -- multiple weeks! It is in China's interest, it appears, that the West does not pay much attention to the virus. Now Xi Jing Ping is posing as the savior of Wuhan while Italy's health care system is in collapse and the country is in lockdown, indeed a preview of what will happen to other countries in the West. Also, the WHO report from China shows that "there are no mild cases", for mild still entails respiratory distress.

    5. People are recovering from it. As the daily count maintained by the Johns Hopkins CSSE shows, thousands of people around the world are making confirmed recoveries from the coronavirus every day -- About 75% of cases have recovered, after weeks! And also many with tissue damage. But this is for individual cases. Suppose the probability of having severe distress is 20%. If a family of 4 is all infected, the probability that at least one member of the family will have severe distress is 1 - (0.8)^4 = 59%!

    6. Hundreds of scientific articles have already been written about it. -- Certainly, so what?

    7. Vaccine prototypes exist. Commercial pharmaceutical and biotechnology labs such as Moderna, Inovio, Sanofi and Novavax, as well as academic groups such as one at the University of Queensland in Australia – many of which were already working on vaccines for similar Sars-related viruses – have preventive vaccine prototypes in development, some of which will soon be ready for human testing -- So what? It still takes 12-18 months for it to be available should it work. Keep in mind that for RNA viruses, which mutate quickly, developing a vaccine is hard. We still do not have a vaccine for HIV (another RNA virus), despite multiple attempts over many years.

    8. Dozens of treatments are already being tested -- and have not worked. The only one with some potential is Redemsivir, which is currently undergoing trials (to be finished in May), which is an experimental drug against Ebola! And, it has secondary effects!

    9. Spring is here. Flu viruses struggle to survive in warm weather. -- Which is why the virus also propagated in Singapore, a tropical country, as well as Costa Rica as of last week!

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  • So, you've been watching CNN. That's great. Okay, here we go, let's respond to every sky-is-falling objection you raise:

    1) As López-Goñi wrote for the Conversation France, the virus causing cases of severe pneumonia in Wuhan was identified within seven days of the official announcement on 31 December, and, three days after that, the gene sequence was available. HIV, by contrast, took two years to identify after it first appeared in mid-1981, López-Goni noted. We also know the virus is natural, that it is related to a virus found in bats, and that it can mutate, but does not appear to do so very often.

    2) By 13 January – three days after the gene sequence was published – a reliable test was available, developed by scientists at the department of virology at Berlin’s Charité university hospital with help from experts in Rotterdam, London and Hong Kong.

    3) China’s draconian quarantine and containment measures appear to be working. On Thursday 120 new cases were reported in Wuhan, the lowest figure for six weeks, and, for the first time since the start of the outbreak, none at all in the rest of Hubei province. Several Chinese provinces have had no new cases for a fortnight and more are reopening their schools. In many countries, infections are in defined clusters, which should allow them to be more readily contained.

    4) Frequent, careful hand washing, as we now all know, is the most effective way to stop the virus being transmitted, while a solution of ethanol, a solution of ethanol, a solution of hydrogen peroxide or a solution of bleach will disinfect surfaces. To be considered at high risk of catching the coronavirus you need to live with, or have direct physical contact with, someone infected, be coughed or sneezed on by them (or pick up a used tissue), or be in face-to-face contact, within two metres, for more than 15 minutes. We’re not talking about passing someone in the street.

    5) Only 3% of cases concern people under 20, children seem barely affected by the virus at all, and the mortality rate for the under-40s is about 0.2%. The rate rises in the over-65s, reaching nearly 15% in the over-80s, especially those with pre-existing heart or lung conditions. Calculating mortality rates during an ongoing epidemic is hard because it is not clear how many mild or asymptomatic cases have been tested for, but the best estimate we have for the coronavirus so far is 1.4% – somewhere between 1918 Spanish flu and 2009 swine flu.

    6) So, don't panic, breathe and stop freaking out.

    7) So, don't panic, breathe and stop freaking out.

    8) By mid-February, more than 80 clinical trials were under way for antiviral treatments, according to Nature magazine, and most have already been used successfully in treating other illnesses. Drugs such as remdesivir (Ebola, Sars), chloroquine (malaria), lopinavir and ritonavir (HIV), and baricitinib (rheumatoid polyarthritis) are all being trialled on patients who have contracted the coronavirus, some as a result of the application of artificial intelligence.

    9) Yes, overcrowded Singapore, which has very few cases and very little spread of the virus. The same is true throughout Southeast Asia, where no reported cases have been diagnosed, and in Mexico, where there are a mere six reported cases as of this writing.

    Sorry, friend, but those of us who have followed the many nuances of this thing from the beginning tend to side, not with the fake news media, but with the medical doctors: 

     

    The truth is the truth no matter who reports it. Unfortunately in the USA, news outlets such as CNN and NYT had their credibility destroyed because of their political bias. However, at least the NYT, which I follow, does a good job at reporting on this issue. I get information directly from sources using Twitter, having cultivated a set of contacts for two months already. I understand why some people will distrust the mass media, as they will inevitably try to find a political angle. But using mere common sense anyone can see that the response in the USA has been botched at both the local level on the East and West coasts (democrats) and at the federal level (republicans). Mediocrity has no political affiliation.

    In some of your responses you implicitly recommend that we follow what China has done, for they have been able to contain this pestilence, as Cardinal Burke called it. Yet Angela Merkel just stated that, in Germany, about 60% of the people will get it, and Gov. Inslee in Washington State is predicting that, at the current course, about 120 thousand people will have been infected with this virus in a few weeks.

    It is effeminate to accept this pestilence without putting up a manly fight, which on one dimension consists of a strong public health response, supported by citizens, and on the other, deeper and more efficacious prayer; I was expecting the Pope to be leading this, in conjunction with all the faithful, but its "lights out" at the Vatican, coupled with a confused and divided laity.

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    Stay confessed. That covers all the bases, whether coronavirus, zika, terrorism, car crash. Vaccine poisoning. Gulag. The list goes on.

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    Much of the problem is about how contagious it is and how far it will spread. There have been estimates of 40 to 80% of the population of the United States getting it. If say 50% gets it, and only 2% die of it -- that would be something like 330,000,000 times .50 is 165,000,000 cases times .02 is 3,300,000 dead. Way worse than the annual flu. IF it spreads that badly. If it really doesn't spread that badly -- it's either a hoax or it's something much worse that takes longer than we know (can't trust Chinese numbers) to develop.

     

    What about seeing the reality: Wuhan. 10 million people, 5500 deaths. That is 0,055%. Seems closer to the rate that was published in the first stages of the Panic, that the mortality is much lower than with common flu.

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    This whole scenario reminds me more of Serling's

    "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street", one of his best stories.

    At the end, it is the "Masonic/Demonic" (my interpretation) handlers that have the last word.

     

     


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      All the evidence so far is that Coronavirus is NOT a serious illness. It is, rather, a minor infection that has been weaponized for political purposes. Many people who become infected show no symptoms whatsoever and often do not even know they have the virus. This could be the case, according to one expert, with up to 49 out of 50 people infected. In short, only 1 out of 50 get sick. With genuinely serious illnesses, as for example typhoid or cholera, virtually everyone infected becomes seriously ill or dies. Can we please have an end to this insane panic!

     

    That would make it more dangerous - being used as a weapon.

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    The world won't end, but hundreds if thousands of Americans will die before the end of the year from COVID-19. Don't believe me? Print this comment along with the above article and keep it in a drawer.

     

    Many believe the world will end - as we know it - it has been slowing coming to that for many years.

     

    A couple of weeks ago, it was "millions"; now it's "hundred of thousands". In two weeks, it should be down to tens of thousands, in which case we've got ourselves another normal flu season on our hands.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Without a doubt I agree with Michael Matt that this coronavirus situation has been mishandled and over-hyped. If it is a crisis then it seems to be a crisis of media and government making and not a health crisis.

    From all accounts, the coronavirus will struggle to kill more people than the normal flu, especially if people observe basic caution.

    As to why it has been so hyped and why the governments have not wasted a chance to become totalitarian, one can only speculate.