Colombian Professor Criticizes Pope Francis, Declared Excommunicated

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Thursday, August 3, 2017 - 23:30
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6. Persistently advocating for unorthodox positions (ie., sedevacantism, the falsity of Catholicism, outright denials of doctrines or dogmas, etc.) will not be tolerated.

7. Unless your name begins with “pope”, don’t declare anyone else whose name begins with pope an antipope. This is not your job. We allow reasonable and prudent speculation about the confusing nature of the two living popes, but definitive, declarative statements of such and/or accusations that others must reach the same conclusion are not welcome.

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      Just a general observation: It seems to me that the reason why many cling to the possibility of Pope Francis being invalidly elected (I do not) is because they are subscribing to some form of Ultramontanism, most likely based on an erroneous understanding of Papal Infallibility. Or, they do not properly understand Pope St. JPII's document Universi Dominici Gregis. (or a combo of both)

      I think the primary motivation for this, whatever the theological/legal reason given, is really very simple from a psychological perspective: things are so much easier if he isn't the pope.

      Pope Francis clearly gives scandal to the faithful on a regular basis (and in myriads of different ways) so some of them seek an escape route that leaves their prior understanding of the Papacy and the Church in tact, so they go the sedevacantist way. It's not good. And Pope Francis will have to answer for leading some of these souls astray.

      He is the Pope, his election was valid even though it was brought about via objectionable means. Pope Benedict XVI said he abdicated of his own free will and there isn't any proof that he did not, so we must take him at his word. This is reality and it's really difficult and filled with sorrow, but it's where we are at this present moment in Church History: and it is objectively terrifying/terrible.

      As far as the Dubia goes, that's a different story and I do not think that any of those Cardinal's have run away as some like to accuse them of having done. It's something that will continue to develop and we will see what comes of it.

      May God Deliver us from unworthy shepherds who are attacking Holy Mother Church and harming her children. Amen.

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      Thank you Father for this excellent diagnosis of the situaion.
      From my own point of view my biggest concern has been not to fall into despair . I have resolved since two weeks ago to say at least 15 decades of the Rosary every day, for my lapsed wife, all my other loved ones any my own growth in holiness. As for the horrors in Rome I cannot do anything but let Christ sort it out in His time. Even after this short time I notice a great sense of peace.
      There is another point that leads from this. There are surely some people who read this blog (and others), and may even post here, who for the sake of their souls should not. Instead keep away from all discussion and say an extra Rosary every day. If you are being scandalised by Begoglio and his thugs it is better for your soul to avoid the news of evil coming from Rome on a daily basis. The Rosary will however make you stronger and help you in your vocation to lead your families to heaven, in spite of what the devils in the Vatican get up to.
      Please, please, everyone, stay close to Our Lady, Mary Most Holy, in these dark days.

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    A serious question, with no disrespect or frivolity intended: If the Pope, most all Bishops, Cardinals and clergy no longer hold the Catholic Faith is the organization they lead still the Church founded by Jesus Christ?

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      No, it's not easy, the question you ask is very serious and very difficult. What I know is that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church and that we walk by Faith not by sight. The Catholic Church is the Church that the Roman Pontiff governs in union with the Bishops. If most of them, or even all of them fall into error, heresy or even apostasy, some how the Church will remain and God will provide for Her. She may appear near death of even dead, but God will raise Her up.

      Judas was an apostle, and there was a time when all of the apostles fled, but the Lord drew them back with the resurrection. The Arian Crisis came about and almost all the Bishops went into error, but the Truth of the Lord prevailed. The Great western Schism arose and the Church was torn between three Popes and eventually the Lord reunited her under one Pope.
      Peter denied Christ, Peter lead the brethren astray at Antioch, yet Jesus drew him back and Paul corrected him.

      Our help is in the Name of the Lord, Who hath made the heavens and the earth. He will provide. We must watch and pray and hold Fast to the Faith, even if many of our shepherds are wretched hirelings or ravenous wolves, the Lord will bring them to justice and deliver His flock. We may even suffer for a time with the loss of the Blessed Sacrament, prophets and saints have said as much. But God will not abandon His people, nor His bride the Church.

      And those enemies of His whom do not want Him as there King shall be slain in His presence. And as for that steward whom thought His master was long delayed in coming and began to beat the men and maid servants: He will be severely beaten and assigned a place with the unrighteous. And those who were lead astray and so did not do their master's will, they will only receive a light beating.

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Dear Father. Thank you for your wise and prudent words. As difficult as it is for the Catholic faithful wanting to be faithful to Christ and His lawful ministers, I cannot imagine how much more difficult it is for a priest or bishop, who is aware that a wrong word here or there could cause scandal and possibly loss of souls. The principle that seems to be often forgotten is that it is the Faith (with Sanctifying Grace) that is the basis of our salvation, and that the virtue of obedience is always subordinate to the theological virtue of Faith. The Pope is charged with defending the Deposit of the Faith as clearly taught by Vatican I.

For Francis there are 4 issues for which there is less than definite proof (so far)

The status of the man Jorge Bergoglio before March 2013 vis-a-vis the Mystical Body of Christ. Obviously only God knows this unless it was manifested to the Church explicitly (The Church does not judge internals)

The character of Benedict XVI's resignation

The circumstances of the 2013 election vis-a-vis current laws governing such elections

The status of Pope Francis in the face of 2 formal warnings vis-a-vis amoris laetitia (to be seen)

As for me now I'm going to get back to the Rosary and confession, but keep watch as Our Lord commanded.

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Excellent summation.

I feel the assertion that the Pope is invalid is an effeminate response to a deeply troubling reality. It is, as you say, so much easier to think the guy is a fraud than to come to grips with what is happening thru his leadership/lack thereof to so many.

Thank you for the post. Everybody should read it.

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    Perhaps if Prof. Galat was to lower himself and become a fornicator, adulterer or homosexual he would be readmitted to the sacraments according to the merciful inclusiveness of Pope Francis the Destroyer? But I can see what is really going on here, in the church of Francis the Destroyer orthodoxy is the only thing that is not included nor deserving of mercy ...

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      Or perhaps a fornicator, adulterer AND homosexual.

      Surely that should be the ultimate goal of anyone who wants mercy from Bergoglio.

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    Funny what can get a Catholic excommunicated these days.

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      Yep, if you are truly faithful to Christ in His true Church........bye bye!! I agree with Steve Tacket.......the writing seems to be on the wall for ALL of us that are faithful to Christ's true Church. But I'm with St. Athanasius..........they might have the buildings, but WE have the true faith!!

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    Meanwhile, Canada’s Prime Minister is sending C$650 Million to fill the void in international abortion funding left when the USA stopped funding abortions abroad. We only have 24 Million people ! The Arch Bishop of the PM’s Diocese issued a letter to be read in all Diocese Churches on Sunday the outlined how this policy was 100% outside the church. Excommunication was not mentioned at all an very public ecclesiastical warning was.

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    Why did they not send him away to a retreat house to pray, like the Gay-Orgy-and-Drugs King, Msgr. Capozzi, who is of course, still in full communion with the Church?

    Excommunicate "This".

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      One can be a drug crazed raging sodomite and still be in good standing in NuChurch, as long as they don't criticize Dear Leader.

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Amoris Laetitia is an impossible situation. Either St John the Baptist, St John Fisher, and St Thomas Moore died for nothing. Or Amoris Laetitia describing Adultery as an 'Irregular Situation' is completely hypocritical, contrary to both Church, Sacred Tradition, and Holy Scripture.
St James is the first to rebuke 'Amoris Laetitia' when he writes in his Epistle.

James 4 4 "Adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."

Divorce is demanding that God renounce his own word. Divorce is trying to make a Liar out of God, who can never Lie.

2 Timothy 2 13 “If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful.”

If God broke the promise made to Abraham because of our sin and rejection.
Then we would never have been redeemed and saved by Jesus Christ.

Romans 5 8 “....while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

This is so ironic also.
John 4 16 “Jesus said to her, ‘Go, call your husband, and come here.’
The woman answered him, ‘I have no husband.’ Jesus said to her, ‘You are right in saying, 'I have no husband'; for you have had five husbands, and he whom you now have is not your husband; this you said truly.’”

The most lenient that the Church can ever be is to say that they must live as 'Brother and Sister.' Anything less then this is Heresy. If Gods law changes, even one iota. It is no longer of God but of prideful and arrogant men. 'Trying to teach as doctrine the commandments of men.' Isaiah.

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Everyone need be very aware of the following incontrovertible truth.
There is not a single left wing Roman Catholic – pope, bishop, priest, sister, layman or laywoman who gives a hoot about obedience except when it is getting some one, particularly a pious conservative, to tow their line.
Every one of them regards those observant of tradition at best, as ignorant groundlings. The more authority they wield the worse it is. I have not observed this in the conscientious “conservative” superior or pastor – they are most often measured and thoughtful.
The abuse of legitimate authority to undermine the perennial Magisterium of the Church, to terrorize a subordinate, is a sacrilege which presently holds pride of place.
If all of us are not being obedient to the perennial Magisterium of the Church, we need be very careful to whom we give deference and obedience.
Far too many good and faithful Catholics are being railroaded by the duplicitous. We need be “…wise as serpents and gentle as doves…” Matt. 10:16
The current crisis confected deliberately by an element in the episcopate is to employ the papacy in a counterintuitive ruse to undermine the papacy and, once done, refigure the office to suit the purpose of the new “church” they confect. Those who respect the papacy are thus demoralized, neutralized. Wielding boldly “evangelical obedience” as a weapon, and subconscious appeals to loyalty to silence orthodox, pious and devout clergy, religious and laity, these operators are having their way. How is one to defend the papacy when it has been debased intentionally – and from within, no less?
The faithful are in the hands of clerical Svengalis and it requires a mighty and abrupt corrective. To be told to conduct yourself like good Catholic ladies and gentlemen by those rendering license to mortal sin, countermanding the perennial Magisterium of the Church, is appalling and sacrilegious. Admonitions to courtesy, submission and obedience to legitimate ecclesiastical authority in the current situation traverses the border of sadism, and it begs the big, forbidden and unspoken question, “Who is presently legitimate and what are you if you’re not?”
I recall my former abbot returning from the General Chapter proudly bragging how he was regarded by the other abbots and abbesses as a “left wing brat.” That he was and rest assured, such narcissists know no shame. He left for “eternity” prematurely while leaving behind him a
monastery that is not much more than a nursing home or a left wing retreat house, maze and all.
Men such as him are blinded by toxic self-absorption and rendered ultimately impotent by the absence of common sense. They are responsible for incredible damage to persons and structures. They function without ears except to hear what they find pleasing and though
sporting a backbone are consigned to writhe about on their bellies.
I have wrestled some with the issue of the St. Gallen Group on the “legitimacy” of the current pontificate and know making that determination is over my pay grade. What is not above any faithful Catholic’s pay grade is whether we have a good or a bad pope.
The excommunication of Mr. Galat has already had its desired effect of stifling the free exchange of ideas right here, with reminders for us to watch what we commit to the screen.
They are having their way in Rome, Columbia, here, EWTN, the Knights and on and on and on.

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Those who engineered the election of Pope Francis are automatically excommunicated according to Universi Dominici Gregis instructions of John Paul II.
Therefore the election of Francis is dubious.
Those who are performing, funding, and promoting abortion and those who are voting abortion laws are also excommunicated ipso facto latae sententiae.

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    Galat wasn't smart here. He spoke like I do here on 1P5 when I'm venting about the faithless sodomites in Rome but as a public figure, he shouldn't wander into the realms of speculation, even though we're all thinking exactly the same thing. He'd be on much safer ground if he confined himself to the dubia and consistently hammered Francis' inability and/or unwillingness to answer 5 simple questions. The bishops would have absolutely no grounds for acting against him and he could flog Francis' abdication of his responsibility until the cows come home. He could also highlight, in a very terse, analytical manner, Francis' many anti-Catholic moments. Again, by pointing out how Francis' words and actions are at variance with those of previous Popes and the teaching of the Church, he could achieve the same end without sticking his neck under the bishops' axe.

    However, when he starts questioning the validity of the Pope's election, he's climbing out onto a limb and the bishops will be only too happy to saw it off for him.

    Note here, that I'm not insisting that Francis was properly elected. I'm simply talking about "strategery" (to use Will Ferrell's famous term) and the best way to resist the Argentinian heretic.

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      You may be correct about strategy and tactics. However, I suspect that the time will come (very soon) when even a "strategic approach" is going to be meaningless. In the face of a dictatorial tyrannical ruler, pure raw power and force is all that matters. (After bribery, blackmail and threats fail to work.) There is no law and are no rules by which one plays this sort of game. Obey or else. Submit or else. Shut up or else. A dictator or tyrant simply finds another way to punish and destroy his critics. (Tell me I am wrong, but the Venezuelan opposition leaders who were recently arrested and carted off will likely end up missing and/or dead .... and will be an example to all the others who dare rise up in protest.)

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    You are right I think.

    But this does give an opportunity for an appeal by Galat which I would hope he demands. This case needs good, courageous canon lawyers and international news coverage.

 

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If you're Catholic: Yes, you are entitled to speak and have an opinion and engage in dialogue. But that opinion must be the correct opinion, after all there's only one correct opinion. But you can have other opinions. But you can't say them aloud. But we have to engage in dialogue. But not with with people who don't agree with us. But we have to accept that others disagree with us. But not publicly. But we cannot disregard their opinions arising from their "concrete circumstances and experiences". But they cannot be contradictory.

If you're not Catholic then odds are you're right, holy and more Catholic than Catholics.

Welcome to 2017.

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    The New Orientation, the New Springtime, the New Mass, the New Catechism, the New Evangelization.....aka the "New Religion."

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    The New Mother Mary - the one who gave birth to Jesus but not to the Son of God.

    The New Jesus Christ - the Son of Mother Mary but not Our Saviour.

    It looks like Our Lord Jesus Christ, having both divine and human nature, Himself is tacitly excommunicated from the Church of the Pope Francis. Yet the theologians say that the Catholic doctrine has not been changed.

    Perhaps the theologians have it right for the doctrine of the Catholic Church can't be changed and never will be: the authentic Catholics will always stay faithful to Our Lord Jesus Christ (the Son of God and Our Saviour), as well as to Mother Mary (the Mother of God and the Mother of the Church). However, the Vatican became the seat of the New Marian Confession promoted by the Church of the Pope Francis. Thus the Pope Francis is actually the Pontiff of the New Religionless Church that many people worldwide mistakenly equalize with the Holy Father of the Catholic Church.

    The big secret is that the Vatican has changed, not the Catholic Church.

 

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A faithful Catholic professor that defends the one true Faith and is excommunicated while the list, ad nauseam, of professors, laity, politicians, prelates constantly bash and run roughshod over Church teachings are in ":good standing" with the Church. This just shows how inside out and upside down Francis and his gang are. And I think it is a gang. It's just a matter of time before ALL faithful Catholics will suffer the same fate at the hands of current Episcopal regime.

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I don't find his assertions on francis troubling, I think we should stop being naive. Why should the liberals in the Church be allowed to paint with broad strokes and one be so measured? Unity does not supersede truth, even if the conspired election were very difficult to prove, we have all his other actions to prove that by promoting heresy he has in fact forfeited the Papacy. One good thing is that if each episcopal conference will take matters into their own hands, then those of us that remain faithful to the teachings of Our Lord will by that very nature not follow the new church and thus a true Pope could come forth. Although it may sound far fetched we're quickly approaching that state.

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    Unfortunately, Professor Galat is saying the truth, which places him, not outside the Church, but outside the anti-church. However, his argument about the uncanonical election of Pope Francis is a valid one.

    In Universi Dominici Gregis, which are the requirements issued by Pope John Paul II for conducting conclaves, he makes it clear that strict secrecy must be observed among the cardinals electors, with no vote canvassing. To so much as text or pass secret messages from one to another is strictly forbidden. It is forbidden for a candidate to even tell another who his choice for pope is, both before and during the conclave. If any of these points are violated, the election is null and void. Consider John Paul II's own words:

    76. "Should the election take place in a way other than that prescribed in the present Constitution, or should the conditions laid down here not be observed, the election is for this very reason null and void, without any need for a declaration on the matter; consequently, it confers no right on the one elected."

    Note that there is no need to wait for a formal declaration in the case of an uncanonical conclave. The election is automatically null. The fact is that the 2013 conclave was loaded with politics and vote canvassing. Edward Pentin has covered this quite extensively. The plan was to oust Benedict XVI and get Francis in. He basically was already picked before the election, and there is evidence from the best writers to back this up. Though the election made it appear he was elected, it was actually rigged. If we would doubt it, just look at the fruits.

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      Be careful here. This is not an open and shut case. And I think your reading of UDG is flawed.

      People use paragraph 76 of UDG to try to invalidate the election of Bergolgio, but I don't think that works at all. This is what that paragraph says:

      "76. Should the election take place in a way other than that prescribed in the present Constitution, or should the conditions laid down here not be observed, the election is for this very reason null and void, without any need for a declaration on the matter; consequently, it confers no right on the one elected."

      But #76 PRECEDES the proscription against canvassing. The latter is found within a section that begins:

      CHAPTER VI

      MATTERS TO BE OBSERVED OR AVOIDED IN THE ELECTION OF THE ROMAN PONTIFF

      78. If — God forbid — in the election of the Roman Pontiff the crime of simony were to be perpetrated, I decree and declare that all those guilty thereof shall incur excommunication latae sententiae. At the same time I remove the nullity or invalidity of the same simoniacal provision, in order that — as was already established by my Predecessors — the validity of the election of the Roman Pontiff may not for this reason be challenged.23

      Then we get to the part people think is the smoking gun:

      81. The Cardinal electors shall further abstain from any form of pact, agreement, promise or other commitment of any kind which could oblige them to give or deny their vote to a person or persons. If this were in fact done, even under oath, I decree that such a commitment shall be null and void and that no one shall be bound to observe it; and I hereby impose the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who violate this prohibition. It is not my intention however to forbid, during the period in which the See is vacant, the exchange of views concerning the election.

      82. I likewise forbid the Cardinals before the election to enter into any stipulations, committing themselves of common accord to a certain course of action should one of them be elevated to the Pontificate. These promises too, should any in fact be made, even under oath, I also declare null and void.

      You will note that this section follows the commentary on Simony -- which is of course just as bad as collusion -- which EXPLICITLY states that JPII has removed the nullifying penalty of simony such that "the validity of the election of the Roman Pontiff may not for this reason be challenged".

      After that statement, nowhere in the following paragraphs is nullity of an election even implied due to the "matters to be avoided", including #s 81 & 82.

      People read into UDG what they want to read. In my view, the document doesn't say what you want it to say. I think we have to look at it from a legal basis, which is going to take into account the specifics of how the document is structured and where the penalties are laid out - and aren't.

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      I have to agree. While there has been very shady dealings at the highest levels of Church Hierarchy, this section of UDG seems to state that all pacts and agreements are null and not binding and that all involved are excommunicated latae sententiae. It doesn't say the election were invalid. Having said that, it would certainly be alot easier if Francis were not the Pope. We could just ignore his disjointed ramblings and ravings. What really disturbs me is that we live in a time were you have to be a Canon lawyer to define what is really being said. It really shouldn't be the role of the Laity to have to do this.

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so Francis says a good atheist can go to heaven but those that don't believe he is pope can't.

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A Colombian professor, José Galat, has been excommunicated for being critical of Bergoglio. He joins a long list of Bergoglio's victims, and he is unlikely to be the last.

The issue which the bishops of Colombians used was calling Bergoglio an anti-pope and questioning his validity. In effect, he publicly echoed what many are wondering. I am not a canon lawyer, but I would be surprised if questioning the validity of a pope is an excommunicable offence, and when we have so many questions swirlign around bergoglio, this kind of action rathe tends to amplify the doubts rather than queting them.

As could be expected, this article drew many comments. One of the most insidious was the featured one, in which the moderator instructs people to remember the rules, that they can get banned for insisting that Bergoglio is an anti-pope while no proof of such exists. A commenter mentioned that Bergoglio's reign of terror is working, if the moderators feel called to make such a threat, essentially airing may people's doubts.

The comments are still pouring in, but the 3 I quote seem to capture the gist of it. First out is , who wrote:

An excommunication announced on twitter. Alrighty then...

In other words, in sanctioning someone who insists that Bergoglio was elected uncanonically and therefore invalidly, they could not even bother to follow proper canonical procedure before imposing upon him the toughest of all sentences in the church - excommunication. Then we have , who wrote of the professor:

Or perhaps a fornicator, adulterer AND homosexual.

Surely that should be the ultimate goal of anyone who wants mercy from Bergoglio.

 

This was in response to a suggestion that the professor should "lower himself and become a fornicator, adulterer or homosexual" if he wants to "be readmitted to the sacraments according to the merciful inclusiveness of Pope Francis the Destroyer". A novel approach indeed, but then again, Bergoglio does have his preferences.

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I don't find his assertions on francis troubling, I think we should stop being naive. Why should the liberals in the Church be allowed to paint with broad strokes and one be so measured? Unity does not supersede truth, even if the conspired election were very difficult to prove, we have all his other actions to prove that by promoting heresy he has in fact forfeited the Papacy.

Finally we have , who observes:

so Francis says a good atheist can go to heaven but those that don't believe he is pope can't.

The perversions just keep on coming and the poor faithful seem to have nowhere to hide. An honest Catholic cannot just sit idly by and pretend that all is well.

The professor is to be commended, for he could be enjoying his retirement but he has chosen to join the fight in the corner of Christ and against those who would assault Holy Mother Church. It might be that he spoke beyond the safety of certitude, but who can honestly argue that even speaking well within the confines of courtesy will protect one from the various assaults of Bergoglio and his henchmen? Canon law means nothing to them. If the divine commands words of Our Lord, the sacred rites of the Church, the hallowed traditions passed through the ages mean nothing to them and can be destroyed at will, it would be naive to think that they care one bit about canon law.

There will be nowhere to hide, if there is now. If you love the Church and her Holy teaching, spend this time preparing  yourself for an onslaught!