WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE COLOR RED IN THE OCTAVE OF PENTECOST? INQUIRING LITURGICAL MINDS WANT TO KNOW!

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 - 22:45
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WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE COLOR RED IN THE OCTAVE OF PENTECOST? INQUIRING LITURGICAL MINDS WANT TO KNOW!

 

Anonymous said...

I recall reading at Fr. Z’s site that Pope Paul VI also asked why the red vestments were not laid out for the octave of Pentecost. The assistant said Father you eliminated it (with Vatican 2).

 

June 2, 2020 at 9:42 AM 

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Anonymous said...

I recall reading at Fr. Z’s site that Pope Paul VI also asked why the red vestments were not laid out for the octave of Pentecost. The assistant said Father you eliminated it (with Vatican 2).

 

June 2, 2020 at 9:42 AM 

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John Nolan said...

And Pope Paul allegedly wept.

The elimination of the octaves began before Vatican 2. The more one goes into it, the more one realizes that the 20th century liturgical reforms were in the main misguided and disastrous. The one exception would be the rebalancing of the temporal and sanctoral cycles in 1913. So many saints' days displaced the Sunday Mass that 'green' Sundays were a rarity.

But this was because recent popes had overloaded the calendar.

 

June 2, 2020 at 10:13 AM 

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TJM said...

John Nolan,

You wonder what they were thinking or if they were thinking. The standard for change enunciated in Sacrosanctum Concilium was that it had to be for the good of souls (I am paraphrasing). Yet it really appears it was done for the clergy's convenience.

 

June 3, 2020 at 8:36 AM 

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I am in full agreement with John Nolan on this one: 

The elimination of the octaves began before Vatican 2. The more one goes into it, the more one realizes that the 20th century liturgical reforms were in the main misguided and disastrous. The one exception would be the rebalancing of the temporal and sanctoral cycles in 1913. So many saints' days displaced the Sunday Mass that 'green' Sundays were a rarity.

But this was because recent popes had overloaded the calendar.

The liturgical reforms of the 20th century and onwards have been one disaster after another, each successively worse. There does not seem to be any way out of this mess until they stop digging having already reached rock-bottom, but for reasons unknown something compels them to keep digging and making it worse.