Pope Francis vs Contemplative Orders

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Monday, May 28, 2018 - 23:00
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What Hilary White demonstrates in this article is far too much to be digestible by the majority of 'conservative' Catholics (meaning Novus Ordo/Vatican 2ists who persist in wishful thinking that they can put the brakes on the runaway Liberalism that they refuse to see not merely is inherent in Vatican 2 but is the very essence of that Council). They are akin to the devout Hebrews who flat refused to believe it possible that priests of Yahweh could know about, could participate in, pagan religious rituals, even right in the Temple - including the ritual of child sacrifice. But priests of the Mosaic religion indeed so perverted themselves and polluted God's temple.

A Pope can be seduced into utter pollution, and get his heart and mind turned upside down and backwards, and therefore lead the sheep toward destruction that at times he himself enacts: just like an Old Testament High Priest.

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    I've been waiting for some commentary on this document all week! It seems to me that even "good Catholic" blogs are just ignoring the deep problems in this document. I have a daughter currently in the application process with a cloistered community, and I fear for them and for her in a very personal way.

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      It's probably not so much ignoring as being daunted by the size of the task and the lack of specific knowledge to examine it. 289 articles is a lot to condense into a blog post.

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    So, just nuns, then? Not monks? Hm.

    Ah, yes, of course. Those feather-headed women (inexperienced ex-bankers, ex-dons, ex-lawyers, ex-engineers, ex-doctors... some mothers of families, intelligent people used to managing themselves, not to mention managing property and budgets...) need a Curial chap to sort them out. Obvs.

    O great Teresa, thou shouldst be living at this hour.

    The Church seems to have forgotten the value of lives of prayer and no longer values its powerhouses. Unless they are houses of men, maybe. Watch out, though, Carthusian brethren. Rome will be looking at you next. Maybe.

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      Contemplative monks -- the Trappists -- have already been eviscerated. Some abbeys are in a somewhat better state than others, but for the most part their charism is extinct. Only the façade remains.
      Certain independent strains of the Benedictines seem to be surviving if not flourishing. Then there is the development of the eremitical tradition among the Calced Carmelite Friars.
      The Carthusians? I think they are holding their own. Their numbers have not been impressive since the French Revolution. They appear to keep to themselves. But eventually they all will be targeted as well.
      Its all in the timing.

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    Oh the 'Church' values them all right! Our present glorious leaders know exactly how powerful they are. Which is why they are setting out to systematically destroy them.

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    In the Conceptionist Convent in Quito Ecuador resides the miraculous statue of Our Lady of Good Success for more than 400 years. Our Lady and Our Lord promised Mother Mariana de Jesus Taurus many times that the convent and that statue would remain until the end of time under their protection. Of particular note is that Our Lady repeatedly referred to that Convent as her foundation. Our Lady promised that at The Darkest Hour when all appears hopelessly lost she in a marvelous way will put an end to this insanity and the true restoration of the church wIll begin under the leadership of the great prelate.

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    God bless us and keep us. I haven't read anything that depressing since the Novus Ordo came out half a century ago.

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      John, I know you particularly have reason to be concerned. Please pray for a community of nuns I'm in communication with.

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    It is as if a syringe full of ditch water has been injected into the carotid artery of Holy Mother Church.

    The more I observe the goings-on in the Church, the more I am coming to believe that the only way to restore the message and integrity of the Catholic Church is for a future Pope to declare Bergoglio a heretic, condemn this entire pontificate, retract every decision made and rule and law created during it and erase his name off the list of Popes.

    As much trouble as that would be to successfully accomplish, living with any sort of positive Bergoglian legacy seems exponentially more daunting.

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      We have the technology needed to convert printed copies of "Amoris Laetitia" into confetti to celebrate the election of a pope whose views are consistent with those of JPII and Benedict XVI.

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I thought Mary had chosen the better part. It is hard to be both a Pope and a materialist.

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The story of Mary and Martha seems not to have registered (nor 2,000 years of Church history showing the profound impact of monasticism).

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    Anyone who knows anything about, for example, Carmel, can only see the destruction of St Teresa's own charism and ideas for her communities in the excessive legalese re federations. Each of Teresa's communities was to be autonomous in the true sense of being independently self-governing. Even the loose 'Associations' set up after Vatican II were viewed as alien, but at least they were genuinely intended for mutual support. This juridical beast which is now being set up is the end of Carmelite life. It might be something else, but it will not be Teresian Carmelite and I am astonished that Fr General has not protested strongly against it. An earlier General said that making a candidate wait nine years for final acceptance and then turning round and saying, "You are not suited to our way of life" amounted to grave injustice and cruelty. In short - this is a disaster.

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      Yes, it will eventually destroy the Carmelite Order. Which, I am afraid could be part of the intent of the document. Contemplative life is clearly detested by PF...and definitely by the Feminist Lesbian Progressive Religious Houses.

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    Tight Vatican control over contemplative orders, and pushing them in a direction where they should not go, and yet more local autonomy for bishops or national episcopal conferences to determine if Catholics living in adultery can receive Communion. What hypocrisy!.

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      Yes, it's worse than what could be imagined. I think Francis is a hoax. If he is truly the pope, the papacy falls; and if the papacy falls, the Church falls.

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      Patrick, I really don't know. He doesn't behave like a pope, certainly. Every other pope defined as heretical was using a pea shooter compared to this guy's nuclear arsenal. We're on new territory. My personal wish, next to the seeming impossibility of his conversion*, is an imperfect conclave to depose him and elect a faithful, Catholic Pope. Are there enough orthodox, faithful cardinals to call one? Would anyone listen if they did? All we can do is remain faithful to the perennial teachings of the Church, go to Mass and Adoration and pray like there's no tomorrow.

      *anything is possible with God, of course.

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    Imo, the Book of Judith in Holy Scripture is very apropos. When Holofernes wanted to take Jerusalem, he cut off the water supply of the city by blocking the aqueducts.

    If one reads a good commentary on Holy Scripture, when the enemy wants to take a soul, he tries to make it give up prayer. And St. Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, said in his rules of the second week that the enemy tempts souls in the state of grace under the guise of good.

    Example: A priest faithfully prays his breviary every day. One day, someone comes to him for confession while praying his breviary. He hears the person's confession. So far, so good. THEN - and this is the work of the enemy - the thought comes to mind: "There you are reading that book when you could be hearing confessions! Who do you think you are, a saint? You should be helping people, not reading that book. You can do it later..." The good angel will say: "You MUST pray your breviary. You are helping souls just as much by praying your breviary as when you hear their confessions. Plus, you are required to pray your breviary - it's canon law."

    This is one battle in the perennial spiritual warfare and it will go on until judgement day.

    Finally, just to make everything perfectly clear, I am NOT referring to the Holy Father as the enemy. He is even more a victim than the rest of us.

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      Margaret, if one is a willing accomplice, then they cannot make themselves victims at the same time. One is either a willing accomplice or a victim...not both. Bergoglio knows which one he is, and he embraces that wholeheartedly.

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    I remember when the draconian Vultum dei quaerere was released and recognized immediately that this was an outright attack on the legitimate autonomy of the monastery and a way for the Lesbian Witch's Cabal (the various organizations like the Leadership Conference of Women Religious) to eliminate all faithful religious and take over their houses.

    This is a power play pure and simple and its effect will be to eventually eliminate all traditionally faithful contemplative monasteries, even those 'conservative' houses of the Novus Ordo Tradition will eventually be suppressed/absorbed/ransacked...whatever you want to call it.

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      Recognised as such by whom? I think I and Marion Horvat were the only ones to say it in English. I found one guy in Italian, and nothing else. I'm told by nuns that there is brainlessness about it for the most part, and all I've seen on the official nun websites has been frankly shameful gushing.

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    "I remember...and recognized immediately..."

    Father recognized.

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Supression of praying ... This is the objetive!

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Ah, formed by the federation! Perhaps those cosmic lesbian wicca leaders? Sigh. As if the decimation and the corruption following VII was not enough. That first picture was of the holy Franciscans of the Immaculate who were given a feminist commissioner who noted that they prayed too much! And their habits covered too much and they were too joyful and so on. The Order has been decimated. Some are living together, wearing those confining habits, but as lay women where they cannot be touched by the destroyers. Some went for protection to the Carmelites who will now be under the microscope and targeted for decimation. Some just went home. Holiness is hated by the evil ones. The contemplatives, in particular, are a foundation in our holy Church--you know the one that has been One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic? Well all those things are under discussion and division now. How we need the prayer power of holy religious and so they are being removed. We in the laity---the few left who know how to pray and sacrifice--must try even harder because the times are as evil as they have ever been and there is no succor in the Church.

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After reading this, strange syllables of some foreign language came into my mind, puzzling me until I remembered what they were. Translation: "One ring to rule them all, one ring to bind them...." (From the Lord of the Rings.)

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Cor Orans is thousands of words too many, telling us what we already know from observing the pattern of the last five years. Simply put, this regime intends to close the contemplative orders and take their assets, and this document is their long range blueprint for the record. While the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII happened at a faster pace and with little regard for appearances, FrancisVatican has the same goal but it will be done gradually so as not to look like the money grab/church wrecker that it is.

It makes perfect sense when one realizes that to a cultural Marxist, prayer is a foreign language they don't understand and has no material value. They look at the housing and feeding of such nuns as a waste of resources which could be put to better use. In addition, anything that seems too holy, with God at the center, has no place in NuChurch. Since the next (hopefully soon) conclave will be a stacked deck of Francis' picks, we can only pray for Divine Intervention to save the Church.

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For a guy who despises laws and rules he sure has enough of them in this latest comedy.
But he's not a hypocrite. Heaven forbid!!

 

 

 

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There is something especially egregious about a man who goes after nuns who have fled the world to escape the petty vindictiveness exemplified by that very man, Bergoglio.

We should not be surprised that eh has gone after the faith of nuns, because after all here is a man who has no qualms going after the faith of children....Perversion personified in many ways, is that man.