PETER HITCHENS: I used to love elections. But now I say a plague on all their houses!

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Michael Wood , Mrs.B. , Alan Thomas, Deborah, Martin, R King , C. Morrison , 

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Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - 23:30
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Since the EU ‘Brexit’ referendum (in which the vote to ‘exit’ was the majority choice of the UK) the recent parliamentary debacles on the subject of actually leaving the EU has confirmed the obvious and already well-established fact that Scottish dislike for all things British, and particularly English, runs right to the top of their governing body.
Having spent three and a half years of my military ‘twelve’ and then another four years of my civilian life working in many parts of Scotland I was always bemused by the extraordinary level of hostility – bordering on hatred - towards the English by the many Scots whose paths I crossed in the course of my work there!
In light of the SNP’s incessant demands for another referendum on Scottish independence, even while at the very same time voting to deny the result of the referendum of 2016, it wouldn’t surprise me if that hostility now becomes mutual and will seek to overturn and block the outcome of any future successful Scottish referendum to leave the United Kingdom

 

Alan Thomas
You do seem to be worrying about how I might vote. Honest answer is I haven't made up my mnd. I ask who will you give your vote to?
I've just been listening to Angela Rayner, Shadow education secretay.
The need for more Sure Start centres, to show parents how to parent and that children need cuddles and nurturing and how important those early years are. Help for young and vulnerable parents.
I honestly thought to my self, " What the hell has happened since the 70's to have created such ignorance and need for state intervention".

I read an article that schools may be asked to help teach children to clean their teeth.
That's along with toilet training and how to hold a pencil.
Politicians promises of more childcare.
It seems to me that there have been deliberate policies that ensure there needs to be state intervention. Culture changes. Each party vying to take on responsibility that has costs not needed in the early 70's
I also read now workplace must take into account menopausal women and more maternity pay.
As a female, the message has been we are equal and mustn't admit how many of us suffered each month, pretending we weren't different and dealt with leakages, clots, pain and a tiredness like no other. That it wasn't detrimental.
Thankfully when you used to still be respected as a mum getting your young school ready and nurtured, I'll repeat that, nurtured while dad worked, then you were in control of your own day.
The menopause, well I got off lightly with that one, achey joints. Although a bit of misery from drying areas. Ladies will know what I mean. Doing childcare for grandchildren, I could send them home at the end of the day.
Being a young mum, it worked in with nature's time line.
I'm glad a bit of honesty is having to be admitted. How unequal we are in body.

 

 

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When the press and medias (owned and directed by the real gaffers; the elites) when they throw their weight behind the Tories you know that Boris’s ‘deal’ is good for the EU and bad for Britain!
It would seem that the only people telling the truth is the Brexit party – and see how the Tories have doctored their logo to look like the Brexit party logo. Every dirty trick in the book!

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"It would seem the only party telling the truth is the Brexit Party."

It also might seem that candidates for that party are working from a limited selection of NF's 'must-say' guidelines. Truth must out, in the form of the undeniable fact that our total Brexit is truer than your half in/half out Brexit!

Apart from that, as none of them really expect to get elected, put together believable policies, and actually form a government, why not use another old trick in the book!

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I had already resolved on abstaining from this election, so I am glad to see an article which reflects my anger with Westminster. Frankly, I am astonished at conservatives still placing their shattered trust in the Conservative Party-- but perhaps I should refrain from judging, since I did vote for Theresa May in 2017. I lived to regret that choice. I refuse to shovel coal into this sodden furnace any longer.

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C. Morrison "The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, reported the “discriminatory and irresponsible” comments to the chief whip"

Rayner was a home help before she became an MP which apparently demonstrates her caring nature for people. Sadly, she doesn't exhibit much in the way of kindness to anyone who disagrees with her absurd plans for spending to create the biggest welfare dependent state in history. She also doesn't appear to exhibit much in the way of common sense so the usual default for such people is to resort to emotional arguments in which any opponent is made out to be an evil supporter of Adolf Hitler should they not think that the best way to run an economy would be for low paid British workers to subsidise an army of fatherless families and tax dodgers bumming around watching GMTV and complaining that their Universal Credit scams haven't been paid out in full. If the economy was left to Rayner and Swinson there would be no economy because scivving about doing no work and making stupid choices would be even more highly rewarded than it is now.

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JeremyBonington- Jagworth, C. Morris on.
As I became a mum in the early 70's and I was a young mum, it's easy for me to compare then and now.
You mention mums interviewed on telly.
I saw a clip Friday being asked how they would vote. Immediate reaction from me was the rather, large size of these ladies, sitting on mats while their young were moving about.
We didn't have "Sure Start". I like many other mums seemed more confident in our individual parenting. Working class girl, confident in reading and a no one needed to do things for you.
In those days it was normal to see mums and babies out with prams, facing mum, learning facial expressions and empathy. No former minister like Penny Mordant proposing to have an emoji to show like or displeasure on social media as restraint has gone leading to all sorts of inappropriate language and behaviour becoming widespread, in the real and Internet world.
Surely it's common sense you instil this early? We knew that.
Then our young toddling by the puschair, noticing, chatting, learning how to socialise.
Brings me to size, because diabetes is now high on demand for N. H S. intervention, because it is such a huge change to see so many overweight mums. Of course size has increased generally.
When PH talks of the 1983 elections then, that was the beginning of my realisation that education was being dumbed down as a parent of you staring my old secondary.
Surely if we have such a problem with parenting and that is backed up as we see police becoming social workers, the more they retreat from the beat, then Sure Start is after the horse has bolted.
Bring back domestic science and practical skills. Less see education and parent craft instead.
Simply how to care for a newborn, how to toilet train, how to teach dexterity, all the tried and tested. Nothing political.
Prevention as in crime is better than pouring moment into after the crime.

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Martin: “Why would Farage suddenly withdraw Brexit' Party candidates from all 317 of the Tory key seats unless there had been some form of pact or private arrangement?”

If it’s a pact, why are the Tories now asking him to stand down most of his other candidates as well?

Martin: “I guess there goes any hopes for that European army you were dreaming of”

Good grief Martin, you don’t seriously believe Brexit is going to turn out as you hoped do you? You really think immigration will go down to a few thousand a year? You really think Boris will never want to be a part of any EU arrangements, including ones he can sell as Law and Order or Defence improvements? You really think this will be an “independent” country? Gramscian Marxism didn’t get where it is today by collapsing over one little setback.

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Mrs.B. | 12 November 2019 at 08:22 AM :
*** When I was 21 in 1975, the ever growing political union was not was being voted for. I believe the closer political aim was witheld from us in documents released later.***

The political establishment have also kept rather quiet about that sort of forced convergence being part of the NATO (New American Territories Overseas) entrapment, right from its beginning.
What is now called the EU is just a non-military branch of that process.
Only one economic agenda, only one social agenda permitted ... from IMF and World Bank imposed "privatisations" (ie. transnational corporate rip-offs) to TTIP type betrayals .... the US-led "Chicago-school" economics of criminality, looting and exploitation, which the EU has not opposed.
Yet they contrive to call a choice for the electorate between which bunch of differentially badged -- but otherwise very much the same -- political establishment fatcats are going to get the best places at the trough, "democracy".
Now with ever more added pc and identity-politics....
But never mind -- we are all increasingly 'free' to agree.

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Martin

Farage taking one on the chin? Most likely down to the man who coughs up the money for the Brexit Party having his say, me thinks. It seems some who were planning to stand for election, and are now facing watching from the side-lines, are somewhat miffed. Government by those who hold the purse stings? Now, there's a surprise, Martin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Own comment: 

I continue to be bemused by the whole Brexit mess. Most amusing is the often-propagated lie that getting out of the EU will enable the British to take its country back, as if there is any bad law in Britain which is the result of being in the EU, and as if Britain has been a victim and not driver of EU policies.

The comment by Mrs.B. about how much money Britain wastes on fixing problems which didn't exist before state intervention is a good pointer on where the real problem lies:

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I've just been listening to Angela Rayner, Shadow education secretay.
The need for more Sure Start centres, to show parents how to parent and that children need cuddles and nurturing and how important those early years are. Help for young and vulnerable parents. 
I honestly thought to my self, " What the hell has happened since the 70's to have created such ignorance and need for state intervention".

I read an article that schools may be asked to help teach children to clean their teeth. 
That's along with toilet training and how to hold a pencil. 
Politicians promises of more childcare. 
It seems to me that there have been deliberate policies that ensure there needs to be state intervention. Culture changes. Each party vying to take on responsibility that has costs not needed in the early 70's
I also read now workplace must take into account menopausal women and more maternity pay.
As a female, the message has been we are equal and mustn't admit how many of us suffered each month, pretending we weren't different and dealt with leakages, clots, pain and a tiredness like no other. That it wasn't detrimental. 
Thankfully when you used to still be respected as a mum getting your young school ready and nurtured, I'll repeat that, nurtured while dad worked, then you were in control of your own day.

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I have not seen anything in the Brexit debates by any of the candidates about the need to get back to morality and genuine liberty for families and individuals. Given recent headlines out of the U.K., it is fair to assume there will be less liberty in the U.K. after they leave the EU, not more.