One Priest’s View on the Vocations Crisis

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Rod Halvorsen, lmgilbert,  kentgeordie , Franklin P. Uroda,  Fr. Donald Kloster,  Rod Halvorsen,  Elisabeth Anderson , John D. Horton, JenniB, Lee Podles, Raymond Rice,  Suzan, Brian Williams -Liturgy Guy ,                

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Saturday, August 26, 2017 - 23:45
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Excellent article, Father Kloster.

I do however, believe you might be just a bit too charitable.

From my vantage point, it appears to me that the vocations crisis is not seen to be a “failure” by the hierarchy at all, but rather as a sweeping opportunity. For no one can be so obtuse as to be unable to see the successes in the Catholic Church, the apostolates and dioceses and parishes where vocations continue to stream forth.

No, this crisis cannot possibly be a true “crisis” in the eyes of the Pope and his heretical and sodomy- and gender-bending allies, but rather an event of glorious and pregnant possibilities!

What Catholic who can walk and chew gum at the same time cannot see the reality that there is a vast movement in to morph the Catholic Church into a Italian branch office of the Anglican Communion, complete with the spiritual voids, conflicts, disunity, destruction of morality and dissolution of authority and doctrine that exists in that haphazard and collapsing sect?

Indeed, I believe it is safe to say that many outsider’s may already see us as what I fear we may become.

No, Father, you are too kind.

The cure for the vocations crisis is liturgical rigidity, unembarrassed evangelization, orthodoxy and the dispensing of strict Church discipline, which are all expressions of true love for God and man.

Indeed, vast numbers of excommunications, laicizations and interdicts must be in the future for the GROWTH of the Church to resume. Hard for me to see the Church remaining the Church without a lot of the latter three, too.

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Get the bad stuff out of the Catholic home. Get the good stuff in. Problem solved.

TV out. Lives of the saints in.

Vocations would FLOOD into monasteries, seminaries, cloisters, classrooms

We have, above all else, a parenting crisis.

The “vocations crisis” is only ONE aspect of it.

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You have got this exactly right. If we get our liturgy right, and restore ascetical practices, the vocations will follow.
It is time to admit that the liberalising experiment has been a catastrophic error. I defy anyone to argue that removing the communion rail, introducing ‘eucharistic ministers’, abandoning ad orientem – any of these and countless other novelties, have had any positive effect in building up the Church.

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Franklin P. Uroda

Leaving out mention of Jesus God Almighty (His Personal presence in the Church) and the conscious realization that we are His Church, in liturgy, piety and ecclesial communications, IMO, is a major cause of the melt-down that seems to be occurring in our Church, not only in religious vocations but on all levels. This article is an example: he mentions several names, but not one mention of the Name of Jesus. St. Bernard of Clairvaux, feast day 20 Aug., nailed it, if Jesus-the Person-is not proclaimed in whatever we do, what we do will fall apart no matter how wonderful it seems to be.

Fr. Donald Kloster

Perhaps you don’t consider the Monstrance or the Tabernacle as being the actual Real Presence of the Holy Name Jesus.

The article was full of religious material like the Mass and dressing to represent the clerical state. What does the Roman Collar mean? It is a bold announcement of a man’s dedication to Jesus. Everyone knows my article was not about Satan or even a secular subject. Lighten up.

As an aside, I hope you bow your head each time the Holy Name of Jesus is proclaimed. o{]:)

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In all seriousness, Father Kloster, as a convert, I am hoping we have a priest or more among my grandchildren to come {I led my wife and adult children to the Catholic faith} but I can certainly see why young men would want nothing to do with the effeminacy and queer nation culture that seem to be the prelates goals for the “church” so many of them seek to create among the ruins of what is left of the Church they are actively trying to destroy.

I hate to kick a dead horse, but we need a Catholic Pope, not a Lutheran {as an ex-Lutheran, I know Lutheranism…} and we need discipline among the clergy AND laity.

I am POSITIVE there are priests and even probably a few bishops that agree with me when I say we need sweeping and severe chastisement coming in the form of demands for orthodoxy and orthopraxy from the leadership and consequences for breaches thereof.

Enough of the Father Martin faggotry and soft-sell promotion of harlotry, sodomy and godless Islamization.

Every Catholic man today should read St Peter Damian’s “Book of Gomorrah” and at the turn of each and every page pray to that dear saint for a purging of the filth in the Church.

When the leadership gets right with God, points to Jesus and disciplines their “children”, look out, the floodgates of vocations will be opened!

How far we have come from the teaching of Mortalium Animos!

  • Elisabeth Anderson

    I am also a convert and I guess they say nothing worse than a reformed sinner. I appreciate your candid comments about Fr Martin. I used to follow him on FB and had read many of his earlier books. That he is not just tolerated but rewarded by “the powers that be” is horrifying. He clearly needs prayer as he has lost his way (and the Way). As a later in life convert (50ish) I never knew the Church pre Vatican II. When I talk to cradle Catholics they seem to recoil in horror about the ‘bad old days.’ Male Altar servers, veils, kneeling a the Consecration, altar rails….A lot of them want female deacons if not priests and promote the “Church of Nice.”

  • John D. Horton

    Exactly right.

    For many bishops the first priority is radical feminism and then open homosexuality for all.

    Two bishops who were vocation disasters were Hunthausen of Seattle and Weakland of Milwaukee. Both were darlings of the Hard Left in the USA Catholic Church which is probably about 95% of all clergy. Both suspended the permanent diaconate on the basis that it was just another worthless ghetto for White males to oppress the gifts of women (i.e. the lesbians that these type of bishop’s staff their chanceries with). I am sure that their theology of the priesthood was exactly the same as their theology of the diaconate.

    It has been speculated that many bishops deliberately discourage vocations as a means of forcing the Vatican to allow:
    — married male priests, and
    — married female priestesses.

    I read somewhere that there was a modernist bishop in Austria after the French Revolution (1800) who did not ordain any men for over 20 years because he thought there were too many priests in his diocese. So, yes, the bishops do play games with vocation numbers to get the result they want.

    Even Pope Francis said that he does not want traditional vocations because they are too rigid. According to Pope Francis it is “better to have no vocations than traditional vocations” (was that the title of a previous post here?).

    In the USA, most bishops, in union with the Pope, are preaching Liberation Theology and open Marxist Communism which is a turn-off to traditional vocations who would not be accepted anyway by Communist bishops.

    Our Vatican II bishops, who absolutely decry everything pre-Vatican II, seem to have a certain rigidity about the absolute need for the Tridentine seminary system which did not exist prior to the 1600s. Ordaining celibate permanent deacons as “priest simplex” or “Mass priests only” (no confessions due to lack of moral theology and no original homilies due to lack of scripture studies) might solve part of the 90% decrease in priest numbers in the next 20 years. A priest simplex could probably be ordained with one year of pre-theology (assuming the guy already had a college degree) and two years of graduate theology rather than the need for four years of graduate theology (Master of Divinity degree). The American priest simplex would be a better idea than importing contract priests from Africa, India and the Philippines who can barely speak English and who are bigger philanderers than American priests. Plus it is stealing priests from the Third World which is not very charitable for our uppity, “caring about the poor,” Vatican II hypocrite bishops to be doing anyway.

    Ordaining celibate permanent deacons as “priest simplex” would conflict with the USA bishops demand for a married male and female priesthood so this is not going to happen either.

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And having now watched multiple vocation’s directors look for all of the wrong things in young men who are discerning, one has to wonder if that is intentional or incompetent. What element of a priest’s duties are fostered by being glib about sports? And, no, I’m not kidding.

 

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The lack of priests is intentional. The middle management of the church has two aims: to force the church to use women as pastoral administrators and by that means accustom the laity to the idea of women priests. I suspect that this is what Francis would like to see, if not in his lifetime, than sometime in the next 50 years.

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I think that you are ignoring the impact that the sexual abuse crisis has had on our church right up to now! What is problematic is that many Catholics accept the notion that the priesthood is a “gay” profession/ not many normal men want to be seen walking around wearing 2 feet of lace on their vestments!!

Interesting.

When I converted, I told my wife “They never should have touched the Mass. They should have simply changed the vestments so the priests looked like men”.

Well, in my FSSP parish it sort of becomes irrelevant, but I can totally see why a kid would look at the apparel and say “No Way”.

I think you are right by the way. I think many “Catholics” assume all priests are sodomites and are OK with it.

God help us.

I mull this over from time-to-time: Without “Catholics”, Americans might have banned abortion decades ago. Check out the voting patterns and it’s true. “Catholics” are the staunchest and largest voting block supporting the Party of Death and it’s platform of support for sodomy, gay marriage, abortion, and Muslim colonization of the nation.

God Save The Catholic Church.

John D. Horton

Yes, Catholics today are Kennedy Catholics: They wear Catholicism when it suits them.

Cardinal Cushing was soft on abortion in the late 1950s when the Massachusetts legislature was trying to legalize it. No protests from Cushing, the perfect model for the Kennedy’s.

When Cardinal O’Malley allowed abortion-for-all Ted Kennedy to have a Catholic funeral, it was clear that the USA Catholic Church was totally lost. Catholic bishops are such hypocrites.

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Thx for yr article. It is on point as to exactly why I have left the Roman Catholic Church. Sad that in a religion that holds sacred the Holy Mother Mary, and the rosary prayed mostly to her , woman are not welcome except as brood mares.

Wait…you walked away from the Holy Eucharist? From Jesus Christ…body, blood, soul, and divinity?

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Suzan:

Rest assured, the devil is most welcoming!

 

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John D. Horton:

Can you explain your statement “My personal experience would agree with Fr. Greeley’s assessment.”

Are you also gay? Have you propositioned 10 priests and 8 said yes?

I’m not doubting you. I’m “agnostic” on the subject. I am merely interested in the facts and if you can expound on your statement, I’d be appreciative.

My “experience” is dealing with the clergy over the last 50 years in various capacities and having noticed that the things that Fr. Greeley has written about mirror what I have seen in the Catholic clergy over the same time period:

— a marked effeminacy in the clergy since the late 1970s when homosexuality went main-stream in the USA and the Catholic Church.

— clergy publicly engaging in the most outrages behavior which seemed to be some type of public homosexual demonstration: The worst example I recall is at the Chrism Mass at St. James Cathedral, Seattle WA, some time between 1988 – 1996, a priest in his 50s with gray hair down to his shoulders was seated with the other clergy but wearing a skin-tight black ballerina leotard which left nothing to the imagination. This priest chatted with Archbishop Hunthausen who did not tell him to leave and have some respect for the congregation and himself.

— when priests die young, i.e. in their 50s, it is a high percentage chance that they died of AIDS. Death certificates are usually public records and if you know what to look for, you can tell that the priest died of AIDS even though the the cause of dead is listed as an AIDS-related disease, e.g. pneumonia or weird cancers that have an AIDS association. I recall one priest who was a convert to the faith in his forties who went through RICA with one priest I knew who was a stereotypical queen. Within 4 years of his converting to the Catholic faith, he was ordained to the priesthood because he was the apparent boyfriend of the queen priest who I had known going back to his seminary days in the 1970s and who is now the rector of a cathedral in an archdiocese. The convert priest died within 4 years of ordination at around 50 years of age which the death certificate listed as some type of weird brain cancer which rarely occurs and then only in the extreme elderly. A late vocation in his 40s was planning to go to the seminary and died of some mysterious disease before he made it in the seminary door. I recall him wanting to give intensive back rubs to people, even the clergy, at the most inappropriate of times so there may have been an AIDS issue there. One of the cathedral organists dropped dead of AIDS in his early 40s but he was completely out and constantly soliciting sex from anyone who would listen to him so there was no big surprise there.

— also when priests die young, the obituary often lists things about them that the priest never owned up to with the faithful, e.g. being the state chairman of Dignity and running Dignity hoedowns at the local gay bar for the last 30 years without the average parishioner knowing about it.

— when priests who you thought were so effeminate and lacking in any masculine qualities and were only fit for ministry in a nursing home or insane asylum where they would not give scandal by their womanish and catty slurry peach, limp wrists and wispy physical demeanor are magically elevated to the episcopate within 20 years of ordination, you might think that they had something going on with the hierarchy to get them made a bishop.

The old saying goes like this: Pre-Vatican II, the top 10% of college graduates went and studied for the priesthood. Post-Vatican II, the bottom 10% of college graduates go and study for the priesthood.

 

 

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The general consensus seems to be that the bishops are responsible for the Novus Ordo mess.

The point is hardly debatable, seeing a it is so obvious that the bishops, all the way to the top, are the major cause of the Novus Ordo apostasy.