The Man Who Threw the Pachamama Idols into the Tiber Reveals His Identity

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Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 23:45
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There seemed, at the time, to be a distinct note of triumphalism in the announcement that these pagan idols had been retrieved from the Tiber, and even a definite hint that they would once again be paraded at the final Mass in St. Peter's. This reinforced the opinions of many that those heroic young men should not have merely tossed these things into the river, but should have "gone the whole hog" and either destroyed them, or otherwise rendered them irretrievable. But now, we can see that this was unnecessary. Their removal and consignment to the Tiber was a powerful symbolic destruction, the effects of which can never be negated by the Vatican and their apostate fellow travelers. On behalf of all faithful Catholics worldwide: Alexander and company, I/we salute you, and we give heartfelt thanks to God for the tremendous example you give to the world of a true, living and active Catholic Faith.

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  • I listened today to several interviews he gave. Alexander, the man in question here, is young, intelligent, articulate, and responsive, everything our Argentine pope is not. Oh, and Alexander is a faithful Catholic.

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Hurray for this young man and the other young man (men) who helped!

I personally want to thank you for doing this. How many of us were so very scandalized and heartbroken over this unchallenged affront to Our Lord, not to mention the sacrilege of these idols put into a Roman Catholic church, a church named for Our Lady at that, but could do nothing about it, being so far away.

Truly, a collective cheer of millions of Catholics went up around the world when news came out that you removed the statues and threw them in the Tiber.
You are our heroes!

I promise to pray for you, and I thank you for doing such a courageous and heroic act in defense of Our Lord and our Faith.
God bless you!

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We need someone to depose this Pope. If only Benedict XVI would speak up on matters Pachamama and priestesses!

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  • Out of the ashes of the apostatized world,the Lord raises up great and courageous men. God bless Alexander for doing this.

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Where do we go from here?
Vigano has spoken, C. Athanasius Schneider and C. Burke and others have spoken, but the million dollar question is : how will the impostor be removed?
Second question : where are those ugly dreadful statues now?

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  • If Francis, the Pope, says that the Pachamama statues are fine to have in a Catholic Church or that we should bow down to them, why should anyone object to it? When has the Church ever taught that we have the right to even question what the Pope teaches? Why should any Catholic resist the Pope and what he teaches?

    "This is why I keep saying that all this nonsense is the devil's masterstroke against the very people most inclined to resist Francis. We now do nothing but fight amongst ourselves about these calculated absurdities." 

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Steve, of course he's wrong. BUT, according to Lumen Gentium #25, if he's Pope, we don't have that option of disagreeing with him even if he's wrong because he's the Pope.

"...Bishops, teaching in communion with the Roman Pontiff, are to be respected by all as witnesses to divine and Catholic truth. In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent. This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.

Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they nevertheless proclaim Christ's doctrine infallibly whenever, even though dispersed through the world, but still maintaining the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter, and authentically teaching matters of faith and morals, they are in agreement on one position as definitively to be held."

It also appears that as long as a bishop agrees the Pope, he's good too. Idols? OK. Priestesses? Okee, dokey.

My point is that PF doesn't exhibit the traits that he's Pope, so therefore we can and should resist him, but NOT as Pope.

 


You seem to think you're scoring a rhetorical victory here, but I don't see one.

LG 25 speaks of TEACHING on faith and morals. Not opinion. Not pastoral guidance.

The religious submission given in a "special way" to the pope is not given at random, but to his AUTHENTIC magisterium.

The bit about bishops and infallibility refers specifically to the authoritative and irreformable nature of ordinary and universal magisterium, not "a bunch of bishops at the USCCB think this is swell."

Making use of idols is not teaching. It isn't even discipline and governance. It does not bind.

We do not have priestesses, no matter what some have opined about, nor will we have them, because it is an ontological impossibility.

It is, as I've said before, an extremely technical and not very consoling thing, but Francis has done a masterful job of avoiding the boundaries of infallibility. He walks up to the lines, but he does not cross them into the impossible. He has not promulgated heresy using the formula of infallibility. His many errors -- even though he has made some official acts of his pontificate -- do not fall under his infallible magisterium. He has used the power of discipline and governance -- also not infallible -- to attempt to force conformity on his erroneous pastoral opinions (cf., the AL letter to Buenos Aires bishops in AAS; the change on the DP to the catechism; the Abu Dhabi statement) but he does not have the power of the keys at his disposal in so doing.

We need to stop trying to force this issue. Either this is God's Church and He will guide it through this crisis through the authority structure He Himself established, or none of it matters and we can all stop arguing about it. There is no scenario where a bunch of bloggers and comment boxers have to decrypt the gnostic key to understanding the true ontological status of the papacy and save the Church.

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If that be the case, then it is sarcasm of such subtlety that it would evade the grasp of most of us. Which would render it not just pointless, but counterproductive.

 
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There is a certain sense of comfort in learning that the man who threw the pachamama idols into the river is an Austrian Catholic, and one from the diocese of the ogrish archbishop of Vienna Schönborn himself - the lead author of the NOChurch catechism. There is some faith left in Austria still, even if it perhaps has to come from converts, as this young man is.

Of course, we have other good Austrian Catholics too - not least an eminent professor who signed onto the major anti-Bergoglio theoscholarly logical statement thus far, a certain Thomas Stark.

The comments from John F. Kennedy show why I have come to conclude that sedevacantists - much as I sympathise with them - are not actually part of the solution. Many sedevacantists seem to only be out to score cheap rhetorical points and do not seem at least from what I can see, to be willing to confront the errors of the day head-on. Instead they are content with screaming "you see, he is not pope!"

Right or wrong they may be on that, it really does not get us out of our current mess.