Inconclusive Musings About Two Mass Killings in the USA

Submitted by LocutusOP on Tue, 08/20/2019 - 23:49
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CaliforniaBill ,adeledicnander, Josep, michael savell,  Fred, Dascei,  Bill ,  C. Morrison , Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth  

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 23:45
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Inconclusive Musings About Two Mass Killings in the USA

 

   Posted by: Eric Legge | 10 August 2019 at 01:10 AM

 

Chris commented: "How long does this have to go on for until we get an inquiry into the apparent correlation between extreme violence and marijuana??"

Unfortunately the left dominates the US mainstream media and the left is beholden to marijuana. To comment on this well-established correlation would be quite uncomfortable to say the least.

Unfortunately as well, the right leaning media can't seem to grasp the scientifically proven correlation between marijuana abuse and psychosis. Most simply think the effects wear off without understanding there can be chronic, long term, mind-altering consequences.

I describe our predicament as duplicity on the left, naivete on the right and incompetence all around.

Posted by: CaliforniaBill | 09 August 2019 at 03:38 PM

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-"How long does this have to go on for until we get an inquiry into the apparent correlation between extreme violence and marijuana??"-
Posted by: Chris Hall | 09 August 2019 at 12:31 PM

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something,” said Upton Sinclair, “when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”

Posted by: adeledicnander | 10 August 2019 at 08:17 AM

 

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Some commentators make mention of violence in TV, movies and video games as an influence to these mass shootings. While I won't deny they did play a part, however, doesn't the same violent media also exist in other countries with fewer gun crimes?

In the case of video games, sometimes it pains me to see kids playing M/16-rated games when they're clearly underage. It seems to be a grim reminder that parents these days are afraid to be parents; they don't bother to read the information on the game, let alone the age rating, before buying it for their children. As a result, the children are exposed to violence at an earlier age and their parents just don't care.

The issue, to me, is not so much of children being exposed to violence (the effect on the child varies) as their parents' gutless refusal to do their duty to protect them from harm. Saner parents (the ones who do care for their kids) would either teach their kids how violence is not acceptable or just not let them play the games or watch the movies, at least until they're old enough to match their respective age ratings.

Posted by: Josep | 10 August 2019 at 09:14 PM

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I agree ,in large parts with A.Lee.It must be remembered that,back in the days just after the last war(and before that)the curriculum looked like this;go to school,be popular with your mates,find one or two good friends that might take you through life,learn as much as possible,get as good grades as possible,find a job which will in the course of a couple of years or so support a wife,get married and always stick by her come what may for either of you and bring your children up to believe in an almighty.Life was relatively easier than it is now,jobs were easier to find and one was not in direct competition with one's own wife and everybody had their own parts to play,Since the 70's men have given up and we face an unending life of the subjective over the objective,a life built on sentiment and victimhood and ,men in particular are taking drugs of all types because of constant public pressure that "smoking a fag" is tantamount to killing themselves.The minute they stop smoking the weight piles on and one thing leads to another with the result they become unbalanced in mind and in body.I have. seen it so often all through my 80+ years Love is what makes the world go round and these guys never had a hope.They reckon that the number of "very damaged people"again in particular, men, tops a few million now so I'll let you work out what kind of future lies in store for the majority then you can tell us old guys that we lived "all wrong" during our lifetime.We married women to keep ourselves on the straight and narrow.Women were good for us and to us,we couldn't afford to have the kind of thoughts that these men have now.

Posted by: michael savell | 11 August 2019 at 10:54 PM

 

Because of the Internet people are seeing the staged nature of these events immediately and they have become material for jokes and satire at parties. That is a sad but good thing.

Posted by: Fred | 12 August 2019 at 10:12 AM

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Under the Smith-Mundt propaganda act of 2012 these events are all perfectly legal
and the American people are paying for the privilege of being lied too.
It has been nothing but shooting after shooting ever since.
It was reported that they have an annual budget of $5 billion dollars per year
to create propaganda i’e fake news and use it against the American people.
That is a lot of fakery the government is putting out as real and they don’t do it
with disclaimers that this story is all lie. They are terrorizing the American people
and It’s pure evil.

Posted by: Dascei | 12 August 2019 at 10:16 AM

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Gordon Kerr | 10 August 2019 at 02:50 PM denies that the primary reason for America's Second Amendment is to provide a backstop in case the government gets out of hand. He adds "Who in the name of sanity needs to own an AK47?".

The short answer is: You will, in about five years from now, if HMG in general and its police force in particular continue along their present path.

The AK47 is world renowned for being fool-proof - so one should suit you.

Posted by: Bill | 12 August 2019 at 01:10 PM

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Assange and Manning have exposed massacres, murders, torture and various other crimes by armed official forces implementing the agenda of those who rule (basically, the US-corporatist empire and its vassal regimes).
For such whistle-blowing, they are now incarcerated..
Literally millions of people have been killed or maimed by forces run or sponsored by the liberal establishment.
It is surely both strange and suspicious how most of the vociferous "anti-gun" campaigners, political correcters and devotees of identity politics couldn't care less about the plight of Assange and Manning -- or even approve of their persecution.
Yet the population of Britain are urged by the State to inform (in future, perhaps for monetary reward) on fellow citizens who supposedly commit far lesser offences...
Cognitives well and truly dissonanced?

Posted by: C. Morrison | 15 August 2019 at 01:09 PM

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>Alan Thomas 15.08.2019 14:41:
>"Help! ..anyone out there who can help?"
>"..seldom.. case.. I'm reminded of Churchill's line.. 'a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma'.. does anyone know what JB-J at 11/8 9.36am, ..11/8 at 12.29pm, is on about?"
>"..manfully struggled through.. first offering - with little success - only to find.. second edition awaiting? Enough is enough!"

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09:36, 12:19 and 12:22 actually.

Apparent internet problems then they all get published.

Bill pointed out "primary reason for America's Second Amendment is to provide a backstop.. in case the government gets out of hand."

Gordon Kerr averred 'No it’s not, it’s an excuse for knuckle dragging thick men to look in their o[w]n mind, macho. Who in the name of sanity needs to own an AK47?'

I informed him AK47s and similar weapons were banned to ordinary civilians in the US in the 1930s.

As they were in the UK and France.

And pointed out that didn't stop drug gangs, the IRA, or the Bataclan killers, did it.

Asking in turn: so who is the excuse for a knuckle dragging thick man trying to look in their own mind, clever?

Who in the name of sanity thinks the ordinary citizen can to own an AK47?

Apart from a gun control lobby brainwashed and re-"educated" "liberal"!

Is it REALLY that complicated?!

If it is:

1. Ordinary law abiding citizens cannot legally buy full auto weapons in the US (or the UK or France).

2. That hasn't stopped non law abiding citizens getting and mass shooting up "gun free" zones with them.

Whereas in Switzerland, UK before gun bans, and US before gun controls, this didn't happen.

Happy now?

For the avoidance of doubt the AR-15, variants, clones, copies, and similar, are neither full-auto or even military spec, they are self loading single shot civilian target shooting and vermin and small game hunting rifles that, surprise, surprise, look like they were designed with modern ergonomics and materials, and so look just like every other modern civilian or military rifle, especially as they have the same ancestry as the post WW2 M4/ M16/ H&K rifles.

Rather than a pre WW1 throwback to teak and brass muskets!

Could anyone here distinguish between an Edwardian rabbit, army, or elephant gun?

Or a traditionally styled 21st century hunting rifle and a 1930s full-auto assault rifle?

Posted by: Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth | 16 August 2019 at 01:45 PM

 

 

 

Own comment: 

If you are trying to solve a maths problem, and you have constants and variables, you generally ignore the constants and look at the effect of the variables. 

With the case of mass shootings in the U.S., it is difficult to know exactly where things have gone wrong short of a total moral decay, but one thing we can be absolutely sure of, however, is that guns are not the problem. They are virtually the only constant in the whole debate.

Perhaps the people who point to guns as the problem never did maths in school, or never solved any issue in their lives, or perhaps they have nefarious motives for wanting to disarm the populace. Either way, right-thinking people ought to look elsewhere if they want to find the problem.