The Impeachment Deal Between The House And The Senate

Submitted by LocutusOP on Wed, 12/18/2019 - 16:09
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c1ue

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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - 23:45
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The Impeachment Deal Between The House And The Senate

Don't forget Sanders.
Pelosi pulling back from any impeachment attempt would only serve to underscore the pusillanimity of the Democratic leadership.
If the Democrats *must* do an impeachment but would be hurt by a Republican Senate hit back, this deal makes perfect sense.

 

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 12 2019 18:52 utc | 1

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Clearly Trump doesn't care about doling out money to corrupt countries. If he did, he would be stopping aid to Israel where Netanyahu has actually been indicted on multiple counts of corruption.

Posted by: M | Dec 12 2019 19:01 utc | 2

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So, after indulging her caucus, Pelosi has thus cut a deal to make sure it ends quickly. I think the double-dealing is harming her health, both physical and mental.

Posted by: rucio | Dec 12 2019 19:01 utc | 3

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To me this proves that there really is no difference between Ds and Rs, both side made (are still making) money on the plundering of Ukraine after the coup.

I don't think McConnell wants to help Trump win re-election and a drawn out impeachment trial will just be more free campaign time on the TV for Trump.

Both parties need an establishment president in 2020, a short trial is the least shitty option for the establishment.

 

Posted by: Ed | Dec 12 2019 19:12 utc | 5

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thanks b... i go along with your reasoning here.. the problem with it all, is again - no accountability - and more ongoing circus for the public which is getting screwed over 24-7 by the war party ( dems and repubs)...

but i would like to address the 1st reason given for impeachment - "Democratic leaders say Trump put his political interests above those of the nation when he asked Ukraine to investigate his rivals, including Democrat Joe Biden, and then withheld $400 million in military aid as the U.S. ally faced an aggressive Russia."

if they really got into this, it would open up a huge can of worms for both parties, so they can't go their... pelosi was happy enough to start the process and stupidly figured she could just keep this about trump, but she can't.. she had to make a deal to do that... and the deal is - we won't drag your laundry out, if you don't drag ours out - thus, no accountability in any of it..

i agree with @3 rucio... pelosi is not doing well in all of this.. sometimes a person just gets old and needs to be put out to pasture.. in fact, one could say this about the whole usa political circus.. it is getting very tired and if the usa wasn't such a destructive force on the planet, you would do what they do with old horses here..

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2019 19:29 utc | 7

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@c1ue #6

Not sure. McConnell may actually prefer working against a Dem prez than working for a Pub. Especially a Pub loose cannon like Trump. To date, McConnell has a better record in obstructing Dem execut8ve plans than passing GOP proposals.

Bernard makes a lot of sense today. The swamp is on the verge of eating its own and neither Pelosi or McConnell desire that.

Posted by: dbriz | Dec 12 2019 19:29 utc | 8

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rucio @3--

Pelosi remains alive only through the deal she made with the Devil decades ago which she continues to honor daily.

This quote from the cited WaPost article is too funny:

"Several GOP senators on Wednesday said it would be better to limit the trial and quickly vote to acquit Trump, rather than engage in what could become a political circus." [my emphasis]

The "political circus" is ongoing like some crazed Broadway production for 3+ years already and destined for more. That genuine articles of impeachment that ought to gain a conviction weren't employed is glaringly obvious to those few patriots that are watching. But the Congressional insanity continues as noted in my other comments made today.

Someone wrote that this is the season of pantomime, and to that I must agree. Fantasies and falsehoods peddled as realities all for the purpose of further enriching the few while the many rejoice in their collective gullibility. Please, add another shot of brandy to my eggnog!

 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2019 19:32 utc | 9

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B, you are right that deals have been made, but you are wrong to think Trump is in on it.

He may go along with it, but that does not mean he is arguing from a point of weakness.

Here is the fact:

The average Republican in the Senate still does not like DJT. The average Republican in the Senate does not like where the DJT-phenomenon is leading the country (into the light) and therefore prefers a course of action to not only minimize the gain that POTUS could incur as a result of a full-blown impeachment, but also minimizes the damage to Democrats and their constituents that are still littered with true-believers suffering from massive TDS.

If they look weak towards POTUS, the dems will have signalled their acknowledgment that this whole affair is in fact a distraction.

Therefore, you can see that the Repub decision for an expediated impeachment benefits everyone, including Biden, except Trump!

It can be inferred that the Repubs are still dreaming of DJT's eventual dethronement and a return to the standard operating procedure of the pre-DJT era.

Thank you for helping me understand it more, b!

 

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Dec 12 2019 19:33 utc | 10

 

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Biden is still the front-runner (to my great surprise). A show in the senate could sink him, and then someone else would be nominated. Someone stronger, perhaps. Thus, tactically it might make sense to let Biden get the nomination, and then attack him with full force...

Who knows. They have consultants to tell them how to play the game.

 

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Dec 12 2019 19:35 utc | 11

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This deal confirms my long-held hypothesis that the DNC is fighting a "war on two fronts": one against Trump and another against the socialist faction of its own party.

If Biden was disposable, the impeachment would go on in its full or there would be simply a censure. The reason the DNC is going so far to save Joe Biden is because centrism is in survival mode.

Posted by: vk | Dec 12 2019 19:42 utc | 12

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...another reason might be that a lot of politicians from both parties are so corrupt that going after Biden could open a flood of scandals.

I'm sure when Biden said "Lindsey [Graham] is about to go down in a way that I think he's going to regret his whole life" he meant something. They're all in the same boat.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Dec 12 2019 20:03 utc | 15

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 I think the best summary that b made was
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The deal prevented an extensive impeachment inquiry and trial that could have hurt both sides with uncertain outcome.
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I don't remember where I read it but both sides were raping Ukraine and that would come out if there was a serious trial.

And yes, I agree that it may save the Biden Dem nomination but I hope not. That to me is still a known unknown that is dependent on what happens to the economy and Dem convention which will be hard to be as crooked as last time.

More circus, Oh boy!!!!/snark

 

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2019 20:33 utc | 16

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Blast from the not so distant past.

“How can he not talk about the reality that Russia, through cyberwarfare, interfered in our election in 2016, is interfering in democratic elections all over the world, and according to his own CIA director will likely interfere in the 2018 midterm elections that we will be holding?” “How do you not talk about that unless you have a very special relationship with Mr. Putin?”

Who said the above? Rachael Maddow? Hillary Clinton? John Brennan? Why none other than Bernie Sanders!
And did you note that Bernie is being a megaphone for the CIA in this quote?

 

More and more and more Bernie Russiagate promoting quotes here (and 2018 had only begun!):

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/01/responding-to-bernies-promotion-of-the-new-cold-war/

Posted by: librul | Dec 12 2019 20:38 utc | 17

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Most Congresscritters are lawyers. They understand the concept of, "Don't ask a witness the question if you don't already know the answer". With skeletons everywhere threatening to fall out of closets, nobody wants an open-ended process, except maybe Trump.

It's interesting that both the New NAFTA and the War Spending bill were very quietly passed the same week as the impeachment circus. We won't know what new police state measures were added until some time later. I dare not think what new outrage they have come up with.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 12 2019 20:41 utc | 19

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The U.S. circus of political distraction continues apace. MoonOfAlabama thinks Trump is in on the impeachment drama, and he may well be right.