Assuredly, the word of truth can be painful and uncomfortable. But it is the way to holiness, to peace, and to inner freedom. A pastoral approach which truly wants to help the people concerned must always be grounded in the truth. In the end, only the truth can be pastoral.
The Hermeneutic of Continuity (4th and last post)
Submitted by LocutusOP on Tue, 04/09/2019 - 23:57
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- vetusta ecclesia said...
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The problem with your approach is that it opens you to the criticism we traddies often make against trendies: that the Church states clearly that the individualisation of the rites to accord with personal preference is inadmissible. One thinks of sauce, geese and ganders.
- 03 April, 2019
- Titus said...
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You would be very interest, Father, at the work being done at St. Mary of the Seven Sorrows in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, in these United States. Ad orientem, Roman Canon only, silent offertory ... we haven't quite gotten Father to let the servers genuflect instead of bow when crossing the sanctuary, but we might get there.
The "Day One" program for a non-jarring N.O. reform would be easy: simply require everyone to tear out all the "optional" pages from the Missal: leave the Roman Canon and the most traditional option for the various other prayers (in some cases that's rather a tallest-midget contest, of course), and mail all the optional pages to the Congregation for Divine Worship for proper disposal.
- 03 April, 2019
- John Patrick said...
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After EP1 the next element to add to the OF would be Ad Orientem which is already allowed implicitly by the rubrics, plus also has the advantage that actions such as signing the hosts would be less obvious to those in the congregation looking for something to complain about.
- 03 April, 2019
- Todd said...
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Agree these can be kosher except for the offertory prayers (that is disobedience though not audible in my view). Benedict also said the Eucharistic prayer didn't always have to be said aloud. Anything after the dismissal is permitted as long as it is appropriate - some have added the Leonine prayers, others of course a Salve Regina or other sung prayer to Our Lady. How could the last gospel not be an appropriate post dismissal devotion? Arguably, one could even add the prayers at the altar BEFORE the beginning of Mass proper (I defer to you and others). The issue in the US is that all such things are frowned upon (e.g. see hysterical reactions to Ad Orientem) by most Bishops in dioceses and if brought to their attention by "Susan of the Parish Council", come down like a ton of bricks on said Priest for "pastoral correction" despite their legitimacy. In contrast to their hesitancy to come down on clear liturgical abuses such as ad libbing the prayers and other abuses well cataloged over the years. Sigh.
- 03 April, 2019
- Steve said...
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A wonderful idea for those priests that want to include more reverence in the the Mass. What are the faithful to do though, who are in parishes where the Novus Ordo Mass is said seemingly without reverence and where the priest adds his own words and mangles many other parts of the Mass.
I sometimes respond in Latin to said priest but all that seems to do is increase his anger. - 06 April, 2019
- Timothy said...
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the root of the problem with the NO Mass is that so much is left to the discretion of the Priest. No matter how reverent and beautiful Father Trad makes the NO at his parish, Fr Trendy or Fr Compliant who follow him a few years hence will undo all the good he has done.
The only real solutions are either an out right ban of the NO (not going to happen) or a real dedication to a proliferation of the Traditional Mass which will in due time displace the inferior NO Mass.
Saint Michael the Arch Angel defend us in battle.... - 07 April, 2019
Own comment:
I am afraid I have to agree with Richard Divozzo: The fundamental theological flaws inherent within the Novus Ordo Missae would remain no matter how much reverence the priest attempted to display. The old proverbial "putting lipstick on a pig" had never been truer.
Furthermore, as several commentators note, the Novus Ordo has its own rubrics, and even though many of them are impious, a priest is not authorised to bring his own novelties into a rite even when these novelties are fetched from a rite which is in itself venerable. If you are going to do the Novus Ordo, you have to do it within the framework of the rubrics that the wreckovators put into it, otherwise you too will be guilty of liturgical abuse - the point of the Novus Ordo in and of itself being the greatest form of liturgical abuse we have ever seen withing the Church not withstanding.
Then we have the practical issues: Many Novus Ordites prefer their rites to be plain and non-reverential. They detest the notion that a rite should be fixed and that any innovation can be frowned upon. The liturgy, they feel, is their possession to toy with as they see fit. These people will not simply lie down and allow Fr. Traddy to do his thing. They will run off to the bishop, and given most of our bishops are either spineless or apostates, you can be sure that the bishop will side with these maniacs.
Really, the best thing to do is to let the Novus Ordo Missae re-invent itself into oblivion, dying the disgraceful death it deserves. There was never a Catholic intention behind it and we ought not to superimpose one onto it even with the best of intentions.
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But what of the doctrinal deficiency of the prayers of the OF? How can that very fundamental flaw be mended by your suggested methods of reform?