FRANCIS FATIGUE UPDATE: Father Longenecker Has Had Enough

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Sunday, April 29, 2018 - 23:45
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FRANCIS FATIGUE UPDATE: Father Longenecker Has Had Enough

 

 

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    louiseyvette • 25 days ago

    Always with the "joyful". Maybe just start with orthodoxy.

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      Liz louiseyvette • 25 days ago

      A lack of joy can often weaken Faith. Trust me, I know, so let's just keep "joyful" in there where it belongs. You can have both, and if you don't have the joy, something is wrong. It's not uncommon for traditional Catholics to believe that things like joy, love, compassion and understanding are somehow liberal and evil. They aren't. I personally know plenty of people whose Faith was basically destroyed by somebody who traumatized them with criticism, hatred and severe legalism. For others who had the same experiences, the only thing that saved them was the fact that they had solid catechesis and were able to hold onto the Faith regardless of the way they were treated.

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      louiseyvette Liz • 25 days ago

      But when you're going through a hellish time personally, the people who bang on at you about happiness and joy are so irritating it's beyond belief. That's why I prefer doctrine.

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    louiseyvette Liz • 25 days ago

    I'm quite joyful myself when I'm not in the pit of grief

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    Barbara Liz • 25 days ago

    Liz, I agree that we need to be joyful. Look at all the wonderful things we have, even going through this crisis in our Church. We have at least a dozen excellent faithful priests with either blogs or conference material, or talks, or websites full of Tradition, for us to draw on.

    Let the devil take Pope Francis where he wants him to go. I'll take Father McDonald, Father Rodrigues, Father Wolfe and the anonymous priests whose sermons are a click away, and Father Relyea, and Father Collins, and Father Hunwicke, and Father Blake, and others we could name - all who make a nice change from the sad faithless priests who get so much attention in the secular world, and in the "new-church."

    Something I must say that I disagree with is the people you say you know "whose Faith was basically destroyed by somebody who traumatized them with criticism, etc." Liz, think of the Saints who were persecuted and criticized and hated and abused by the injustice of too severe legalism…they KEPT their Faith - as St. Peter replied to Jesus: "to whom shall we go?" The Faith is all we have to see us through things like you describe. To lose it is a sign of a weak, self-centred Faith that is easily lost. Please urge your friends to come back into the only place they will be safe: The Faith. It must be kept alive even in the face of tremendous odds - they will need that Faith when they face Jesus and He asks if there is any around - when He comes back!

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    Amos • 25 days ago

    Dear Fr. Longenecker,

    Welcome to 50 years ago.

    Sincerely,
    Suffering Catholics

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      utahagen Amos • 23 days ago

      That Fr. Longnecker waited this long makes his column that much more powerful. Perhaps there is a reason God opens peoples' eyes at different times.

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    sinner • 25 days ago

    Whether Frances is pope or not, or Benedict is, is way above my pay grade. What I do know is that I used to be grounded in the knowledge, as the good nuns taught me, that if I wanted to know the truth, follow the Pope. Well what do I do now? I feel like a ship at sea without a rudder.

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      Anisha Dunne sinner • 21 days ago

      Dear sinner, you most certainly do have a "rudder" when the church hierarchy is in ruins; it is our handy dandy Catholic Catechism that never fails to educate us on what EXACTLY is our doctrine. Of course you have to READ in order to find out what it is and not rely on internet clap trap...lol...I would stick to both the Catechism of the Council of Trent, 1985 TAN publishers, and The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism of 1962. Also keep in mind the words of our dutiful and faithful, Cardinal Burke who said recently at the "Amoris" summit in Rome: "“As a matter of duty, the pope can be disobeyed,” Burke said. “There’s an abundant body of literature on the theme." “The pope’s authority is not magical,” Burke said. “It derives from his obedience to the Lord,” once again drawing strong applause from the crowd gathered in a hotel ballroom. https://cruxnow.com/vatican...

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    peter f sinner • 22 days ago

    I agree. Unfortunately, going to a state school in the UK didn't help my religious formation, I'm trying to figure out what is right and what is going on by reading the Remnant, LifeSite News and 1P5 etc. Sadly, I don't trust the Holy Father who should be guarding the Church. From only knowing post V2 Church, I'm getting more traditional by the minute. Still hoping for a correction from the dubia Cardinals.
    Otherwise I think we're in for a big chastisement.

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      pamino peter f • 20 days ago

      Do you realise that two of the dubia cardinals died suddenly and unexpectedly within a short space of time and that a third hardly ever says anything? That leaves Cardinal Burke.

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    Paul Bev. • 24 days ago

    Truly, this pope does not share the sentiments for the true church, but only the church he is helping to erect. In the meantime he goes along with the program while everyone is looking, but behind closed doors he speaks as a different man. Still, I have to pray for this man. This is what we were told at Fatima, to pray for the pope, but it doesn't mean that we cannot disagree or resist error.

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      James Paul Bev. • 24 days ago

      Praying for someone in error means praying that the error will be recognized and repented. For example, I pray for kith and kin to move ever closer to historic Apostolic Christianity, ultimately to become Latin Mass Catholics.

      We all should pray that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis sees his many errors and corrects his ways and words, publicly.

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      Catholic Caretaker James • 24 days ago

      It should be very apparent that we MUST pray for Pope Francis. Satan is attacking Christ's Church above all other things in the universe. The head of The Church, the sovereign pontiff, must be right in the Enemy's cross hairs. Satan knows PF's weak points and will attack him relentlessly.
      That is why we must pray. Pray the the pope gets a truly clear head and is able to lead not only The Church but also the whole world according to the will of God.

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Nicholas • 23 days ago

No Scholasticism, no precise language, no clear teaching...humanist and materialist language prevails.

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    Brian Miles • 23 days ago

    Wait, what?

    "His conclusion is something we can all rally around—rad trad and non-rad trad alike:

    'Furthermore, while knowledgeable Catholics can dismiss headlines like, 'Pope Says No Hell''"

    How can we dismiss such headlines? Knowledgeable Catholics know that there is no reason to doubt the pope said "no Hell".

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    ArthurMcGowan Brian Miles • 22 days ago

    He meant that we should dismiss the CONTENT of the Pope's assertion, not that we should say "fiddle-dee-dee" about the appalling fact that the Pope said it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There is a discussion in the thread regarding praying for Bergoglio, in which a commenter replies that praying for someone does not mean praying for their intentions, but for their conversion. To that Catholic Caretaker replies:

It should be very apparent that we MUST pray for Pope Francis. Satan is attacking Christ's Church above all other things in the universe. The head of The Church, the sovereign pontiff, must be right in the Enemy's cross hairs. Satan knows PF's weak points and will attack him relentlessly.
That is why we must pray. Pray the the pope gets a truly clear head and is able to lead not only The Church but also the whole world according to the will of God.

I am reminded here of the very politically incorrect but also very truthful statement:

How can you rape a woman that is all too willing?

I cannot read into Bergoglio's mind, so I cannot be certain of his motivations. It could be that he became involuntarily demon-possessed at a young age and has been on auto-pilot anti-Catholicism ever since, against his initial will. From the outside looking in, however, all we can say is that Bergoglio's satan agency seems to be a logical consequence of his very many heretical and sinful inclinations.

If Bergoglio has weak points for the devil to attack it would seem to be that these points do not have to be attacked because Bergoglio is all too willing to do the devil's bidding.

As I wrote though, we do not know what is in Bergoglio's heart, and his initial co-option into the devil's work might have been involuntary. As pope though, we can definitively conclude that he has been doing the devil's bidding from day one.

The only prayers we should bid for Bergoglio are for his quick death, preferably in a way so scandalous that it shall not be able to make the case for his canonisation and whereby it will be left in do doubt that he was an agent of Satan - willing or not we cannot know. We should also pray that he will repent so that he can make it to Heaven.

As for praying that he will be " able to lead not only The Church but also the whole world according to the will of God", I can only advise that we shouldn't waste a perfectly good prayer. Even if Bergoglio was to convert in his heart and want to do the will of God, too much water has flowed under the bridge. Catholics would not be able to trust him and the world would attack him relentlessly for turning his back on his anti-Catholic plans.