The Fate of Hagia Sophia and Anglican Catholic Ecumenism

Author: 

Amont , Paul-A. Hardy , Victor          

Date: 
Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 20:30
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Amont said...

 

Dear Father,

My great fear is that the influx of Moslem worshippers into the UK,WILL exactly result in the use of the Mother Church of the Diocese of Westminister, exactly as you propose! 

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Paul-A. Hardy said...

Thank you for this posting. But I fear that what has happened in Turkey is the fault of the Œcumenical Patriarch Barhtolomew's political strategy. Anxious to ensure a base in the world community at large he has undermine Orthodox unity in order to further Ukraine's joining or at the very least becoming an ally of NATO. This in an effort to show himself and the Greek commercial immigration in the US a friend of America.
Of course, the Patriarch's moves were carefully watched by the Turkish President Erdogan a former imam,determined to stress Turkish sovereignty over any fPatriarchal shenanigans, decided to give in,— not surprisingly—to extremist demands that Hagia Sophia be turned into a mosque.
Erdogan, as everyone knows, is a follower of a new religious sect. He is in fact the voice of an "Islamicized sæcularism." That voice is heard and obeyed everywhere in Turkey, the Middle East, India, Indonesia, Malaysia and Africa. Erdogan, e.g., supported the new religionist Mursi President of Egypt. New Islam can be seen as the voice of historic Islam today just as Bergoglio's Vatican II'ism can be seen as the voice of historic Roman Catholicism. The US president Obama seems to have been a crypto-member of this sect, having grown up in Indonesia. Obama, recall, conducted a proxy war against the ancient Orthodox See of Antioch and the Melkites in Syria. His policy continues in the proxy war between Egypt and Libya starting right now. So-called Catholic Biden is an instrument of this anti-Russian, anti-Xtian policy.
Now Russia's President Putin has given Turkey warning as we saw in Erdogan's last visit to Moscow, when the Turkish delegation was photographed standing beneath the statue of Catherine the Great. I.e., What happened to the old Crimean Khanate under Ottoman rule, can happen today in Turkey.
Let us not forget that Russia has saved for the time being, at least, the ancient See of Antioch and Melkite Catholics in Syria. It may happen that it will do the same for the rump Greek and Armenian Xtian community in Turkey. If that happens, Bartholomew will undoubted be deposed like his infamous predecessor Meletius IV.
Of course, if Russia does annex Turkey it will be the start of Armageddon. The US, no friend of either traditional Catholic or Orthodox Xtianity would never sit idly by. The European heirs of !789 in their economic community would rise up as well, not to mention Britain and the Vatican.
The Vatican under Bergoglio has carefully aligned itself with old and recent US policy.The US has traditionally been ant-Catholic. After all, Catholic Spain possessed the greater part of the North American continent. Spain was a natural enemy. US policy policy, belonging to its bi-partisan dictatorship, destroyed Catholic Europe centred in Habsburg Vienna under Wilson It also bombed Nagasaki the seat of Catholic missionary activity in Japan under Truman. That is its record in the 20th century. The 21st century so far has seen no change.

 

11 August, 2020 

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Victor said...

Mr Hardy seems to have deeper insight than most other people into the minds of various leaders, political as well as ecclesiastical. However, might it not be that the decision to recognize the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was made not for political reasons but simply because it was The Right Thing To Do?
I am not commenting the ridiculous accusation against Obama being a secret Muslim - but as far as I know, the war in Syria has the Christians involved only as one of many victim groups. Thank you anyway, Mr Hardy, for a good laugh in so serious times!

 

11 August, 2020 

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Paul-A. Hardy said...

 

Mr. Victor: My thanks goes out to you for giving me a good laugh as well. We are mutually indebted on that score.
As for whether the Patriarch made his decision for political reasons or not, it is true I do not know the state of his mind. But his mental state is unimportant because his decisions are only justifiable on grounds of canon law. A large part of the Orthodox Church question the canonicity of his decision and have broken communion with him. If the decision is not canonical, then how could it be the right thing to do? You can find his arguments and the counter-arguments of other Orthodox patriarchs and bishops on the internet, rather tedious reading I'll admit.
As for Obama being a crypto-Muslim, the evidence from Indonesia is that he was registered as Muslim in school. Indonesia has a Christian population, so if Christianity meant anything to his mother or to him, why was he not registered as Christian? Both his given names are Muslim. If he was baptized in any recognized church, why doesn't he have a Xtian name. I would wager that Obama is likely to be as good a Muslim as many of us are Catholic.Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are Catholic after all. Why would Obama not be be as good a Muslim as they are Catholic.His policy in Syria and Libya has suggested as much. He consistently sides with Muslim sectarians, who dominate in most every mosque in the world just as vatican Council II dominates in almost every Catholic Church and Zionism in almost every synagogue. Obama armed a proxy army to fight against the Syrian government supported by both Xtians and non-sectatian Muslims. These are the same sectarians who raised their black flag in Hagia Sophia. The fact that Erdogan supports this kind of thing cannot be doubted, since he controls even the sermons preached in every mosque in Turkey.
Now it was in fact the Ukrainian government that was the main player in the question of granting autocephaly to a Ukrainian church. This government as we know from recent events revealed in the attempted coup in the US had huge input from the faction who tried to gain power by overthrowing the 2016 US election.
Further, the Ukrainian government's roots are in the old Soviet Union. Why did no one raise the question of autocephaly in those years, since 1929? Why only after the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation did the question of autocephaly gain momentum?
I keep abreast of the events in this region, since from all evidences on which I can lay my hands, not excluding that provided by Father Robert Hugh Benson's admittedly fictional but nonetheless inspired Lord of the World, the Second Coming will take place where our Lord preached, taught, died and rose again from the dead.
You perhaps think that the Parousia is a laughing matter. But he who laughs last, laughs best. Let us see! 

 

 

 

 

Own comment: 

As often, it is difficult to tease out exactly what Fr. Hunwicke intends to mean from his posts, given how he writes.

For what it's worth, I am in agreement with Paul-A. Hardy  regarding the politics involved with sett00ggn up the Ukrainian separatist church and how this was done for only political purposes and that it may have played a role in the Hagia Sophia being converted into a mosque once more.

It is a rather odd grouping which claims that bishops are equals yet permits one to go about dividing other branches of Orthodoxy. There is indeed quite a lot in Orthodoxy that is plainly self-contradictory.