Dear Bishop Roche

Lepanto said...

I see that the Archbishop's motto translates as 'Head into the deep'. How apt!

28 October, 2017

Highland Cathedral said...

I thought that the post-Vatican changes to the liturgy were deemed to be irreversible. Or is that 'irreversible to you 'rigid traditionalists' but open to all sorts of adaptation by those who are more pastorally-oriented? Or is this craving for a liturgy which can be used by both Catholics and Protestants just a sad, nostalgic desire to return to the heady days of ecumenism in the 1960s and 1970s? Taize for the twenty-first century? No doubt this new liturgy will heavily feature such classics as Kumbayha. And will it also incorporate liturgical dance with elements brought from different Christian 'traditions'?

28 October, 2017

Mike Smith said...

Dear Fr

if Archbishop Roche has been asked to do this by Pope Francis, surely he will try to do it unless he wants his head to roll! It may take many years to complete during which time there may be a change at the top and the exercise will have been futile anyway.

28 October, 2017

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The Archlaic said...

But wasn't that the intention behind the Novus Ordo?

Bugnini: "We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren—that is, for the Protestants."

Jean Guitton, who was a close friend of Paul VI, certainly ascribes that motive to the pope: "The intention of Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the [Novus Ordo] Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy — but what is curious is that Paul VI did that to get as close as possible to the Protestant Lord’s Supper … there was with Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass [sic]."

Poor 'ol Novus Ordo - almost seemas as though it's too prot for Lefebvre et al, but (if there's anything to the rumors) too Catholic for the current Holy Father!

Oy, what a mess! Or am I supposed to say 'lio'?

28 October, 2017

Drew said...

Many readers may be familiar with the prophetic 1973 movie "The Catholics":

https://gloria.tv/video/VV2771RSsRPe2PeqtB4eJ3fnX

28 October, 2017

john said...

The N.O. Mass, itself, is illicit; designed by Protestants-Freemasons, it will eventually be tossed to the scrap heap alongside the failed, Faith destroying Second Vatican Council. VII was hijacked by Communists-Freemasons to bring forth the disastrous situation we currently face today.

29 October, 2017

RodH said...

Dear Father:

I have found since my conversion that many orthodox Catholics take little notice in the developments of liturgy or doctrine as they have manifested themselves in Protestantism. Indeed, they seem to think that what happens in the Church is unique, somehow not to be compared with developments elsewhere. As if what has happened in the Protestant groups cannot in any way be compared with developments in the Church. "We" are the Church, and "they" aren't, so there can be no need to observe what "they" do for it has no bearing on "us".

In my opinion, this lack of interest has blinded them from seeing the bare fact; creeping modernism in the Church follows a pattern that can be observed in the ecclesial groups and especially in Anglicanism.

Indeed, in the Church we should be fighting it with discipline, for that is exactly what has been lacking among the Protestants...and..."us"!

Then, of course, there are the progressive Catholics, who celebrate the collapse of universal teaching on faith and morals and seek to make the Protestant methodology of capitulation to modernism an integral feature of Catholic life. Thus, any attempt to educate them using events that have occurred in Protestantism is merely giving them more ideas...

I suspect the fellow to which you are addressing your piece here falls in the latter camp.

30 October, 2017