Controversy Over Pre-Synod Document Highlights Appeal of Tradition for Young Catholics

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  Jim • 5 days ago

  The collar-less nouveau Jesuits and their ilk inflicted on my generation (X) a faith-destroying, sterile religion, stripped of all gravity and grandeur in the name of appealing to the kids. My own pagan past is testament that it was an utter failure, and God knows where I'd be if I hadn't stumbled upon TLM. Thank goodness that type of priest is beginning to fade away. All the young priests I know today are orthodox, reverent and wear collars (if not cassocks). But it looks like the graying gang in the Vatican is taking one last shot at reliving their glory days and ruining one more generation of young people before they expire.

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  Felix_Culpa Jim • 5 days ago

  GenX here, too. Yes, it was an absolute liturgical wasteland when I was growing up in the 1980s. We GenX-ers knew the older generation was deliberately hiding something from us. But our numbers are small in comparison to the Boomers and later the Millennials, so we had no clout. And the 1980s and early 1990s was all pre-internet, so we had no way of connecting with each other or really finding out quite what that "something" was that the Boomers were hiding. Good on the Millennials for both being able to find each other and to push back somewhat against the grey ponytail set.

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  DNBon Felix_Culpa • 4 days ago

  1980's Catholicism for GenX was a disaster. I fell out of the faith along with all my brothers and sisters even though we all went to pretty much 12 years of Catholic education (6 kids). The heights of folly were being reached, while the existence of the TLM was something I never heard of nor could have conceived of, and there was no way of finding anything out. Catholicism was a wasteland to me back then, and I became a Protestant. For 18 years I did "ministry" and then went back to college to get a Bible degree, which led me ultimately back to the true faith. It was good info on the net that led me back. Not a single person was involved. It was nothing but net :)

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  Margaret Felix_Culpa • 5 days ago

  I'm GenX also. I found out out about Fatima, the crisis in the Church etc from The Fatima Crusader (magazine) in my freshman year in college. However, I'm becoming more tech-savvy (definitely not a whiz kid, by any means).

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  Thomas J. McIntyre Jim • 4 days ago

  "But it looks like the graying gang in the Vatican is taking one last shot at reliving their glory days and ruining one more generation of young people before they expire."

  I've been saying the same thing for a while...

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  joannesromanus Jim • 5 days ago

  Irony of ironies ... compared with the Communist Party apparatchiks back in the old days of the Iron Curtain, these pseudo-Jesuits seem to be even more adept at stifling the Faith of their young victims. Truth be told, at least in this respect, "carrots" seem to be much more efficient than "sticks".

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  Mark Anthony Beale • 5 days ago

  Let's be clear. This Synod has never been about the youth. It has been about using the youth to push the same old, tired Modernist agenda of the post-Vatican II generation. This is the reason why the document makes mention of things like ecology, environmentalism and other mushy ideologies. This is why it bemoans the "excessive moralism" of the Church, which is basically trashing the Church's moral teachings. It also trashes tradition, saying that:

  Sometimes, in the Church, it is hard to overcome the logic of “it has always been done this way”.

  It also bemoans that women don't have a place in the Church; aside from the fact that women invade the sanctuary, presbytery, and every other part of the Church's life! It mentions debate amongst the youth about certain "controversial" topics - which debate would not exist if these youth were educated, catechised Catholics, rather than uneducated, uncatechised social Arians. They say "Jesus is Lord", but when it comes to obeying Christ in their moral lives - nah!

  It can seem that the Church forgets that the people are the Church, not the building.

  The Church also seems to forget that the people alone don't make up the Church: there is Christ, the Hierarchy and the Magisterium. To say that the people alone are the Church is a Protestant view of Church.

  The whole thing is yet another pigeon dropping on the Church. And throughout its talk on vocation, it falls into the same error as most people: thinking everything one does is a vocation! No, it isn't! God only calls a person to priesthood or religious life or marriage. He doesn't call people to be carpenters, welders, technicians etc., !

  It also only mentions women's vocations and their difficulties, but not male vocation to the priesthood, or how to encourage men to go forward for Holy Orders. It seems the Leftist anti-patriarchy nonsense has infected the liberal youth (no surprise!). No mention of how men experience major problems because of the demonising of masculinity and the like.

  The fact that so many conservative/traditionalist youth were silenced tells all. Well, in the end, it will most likely be the traddy youth who will have to save the Church from the trendy youth!

  Mary, Mother of the Church, save us!
  St. Peter, protect the Church!

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  Margaret Mark Anthony Beale • 5 days ago

  Beth McMullan said: “It reminded me of the time he claimed that answering questions was a big part of his ‘job’, whilst refusing to answer the dubia. It seems to me that it’s okay to shout as long as you’re shouting the ‘right’ thing.”

  BINGO.

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  Mark Anthony Beale Margaret • 4 days ago

  I read her comment. Completely agree. It's just like at the beginning of Amoris Laetitia, the Pope calls for dialogue, but never actually wants it with people who disagree with him.

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  Mxpctlk Margaret • 4 days ago

  McMullan's comment was the most splendid observation I've read in a good while!