Coming to Tradition via the Back Door - a guest post by Iranaeus

Ana Milan said...

Since VII Catholicism has been broken up into several fractions – happy-clappy charismatic types, low church Protestantism, sedevacantists, ‘rigid’ Traditionalists (some so rigid they are a genuine put-off to others seeking the Truth) & then there are those whom I would best describe as Orthodox – traditional yes, but not exclusive as the Word of God is for everyone. They see their role as being one of keeping the Word of God by giving good example of a living faith that attracts rather than sends people running at a pace in the opposite direction. By thrashing the Liturgy of Ages which had both Latin (language of the CC before VII) & the vernacular contained in the pre-VII Missal the usurpers which still govern Christ’s Church but not for much longer (they are now old men) took away the cement of the institutional church leaving the foundations & supporting columns to gradually crumble.

Our Lady gave us the answer – consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart & leave matters to Her. We all know that this has never been carried out in the exact way it was requested, which not only insults the Mother of God but Her Divine Son also. If we had men of faith leading us how different His Church would appear to-day. Instead of floundering in the fields of Sodom & Gomorrah it would shine like a beacon attracting all those souls who desperately seek the Truth. Instead of preaching endless mercy without need for repentance & no ‘Catholic’ God, no Hell (that would go against the Gospels), everyone can get to Heaven (do they even believe there is an afterlife?) they would be countering with force the onslaught of Islam & nurturing the sheepfold given into their care. They do not properly reflect on the all-time teaching of the CC that ‘outside the Church there is no redemption’, as it would appear they conclude that there are many equally good roads to Heaven despite Our Lord telling us to take the straight & narrow path which is the only one leading to Him. If we are to believe PF, Satanists, hardened Atheists, infidels & despots of every hue & colour will be there before us. They are nothing but politicians with their Liberation Theology & Marxist policies.

God will intervene if there aren’t enough Cardinals/Bishops/clergy willing to stand & serve Him. Our only & possibly last chance is for the Dubia Cardinals to make a hasty & robust opposition to Amoris Laetitia that blatantly contradicts the Ten Commandments & gives freedom to cohabitants of all varieties to live in grave sin. It also brings Holy Matrimony down to the level of the uneducated masses, i.e. a civil contract which can been negated at will. Even this civil contract is notably circumvented by people who do not want God to participate in their lives & just ‘sign on’ for whatever benefits they feel entitled to.

Those who promote true Catholicism will always be harshly criticized, maliciously blasphemed & even physically attacked by people opposed to the True Faith. You must learn to wear these affronts as a badge for Christ. Do not try to avoid such adversity as He is watching & will make all things right in the end.

10:48 am, August 17, 2017

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Anonymous said...

As you have felt cheated by your Church not teaching the fullness of Truth, I felt cheated by all the Protestant ministers that I had known. My first reaction, when I discovered the Catholic Faith, was - how can a man read the Bible all the time, spend years in seminary, pray like he claims to and still not know something major is missing?
I searched a long time for Truth, but I never stopped until I found it, or better said, our Lord graced me with it. We can blame priests, bishops, cardinals or whomever we want - and yes, many are very guilty - but we all bear a responsibility to search for Truth. And if we are sincere and diligent, God rewards us with the True Faith.
We are promised "seek and ye shall find" but one must desire Truth before he will search for it.

12:55 pm, August 17, 2017

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Peter Lamb said...

Dear Ana, please understand that I am not attacking you. I like you. I like your passion, your loyalty, your guts, your feistyness, (even if a bit misguided :) ), and your fighting spirit.
The reason why traditionalist R&R bloggers are getting tired is because they persist in trying to hammer square pegs into round holes. It simply can't be done. The extended futile effort eventually leads to exhaustion.

Nothing can be black and white; hot and cold; up and down, at the same time. Likewise nobody can be the Vicar of Jesus Christ and a heretical, masonic vicar of satan, at the same time.

bergoglio publicly denies the existence of hell and eternal punishment there for unrepentant mortal sinners. He thereby denies two dogmas of the Faith, declares himself a notorius, pertinaceous, heretic and excommunicates himself from the Mystical Body of Christ. No Catholic can deny this. But you do. You say he can be Visible Head of the Church and out of the Church at the same time.
You call him and his hierarchy usurpers: "... the usurpers which still govern Christ’s Church but not for much longer (they are now old men)", yet you insist that at the same time he is the true Vicar of Christ and that they are authentic Catholic Hierarchy. How can they be authentic and usurpers at the same time? Are you not defying logic? Or is this feminine logic? :)

You hope the nightmare will cease when they die. You hope in vain. The disciples of Caiphas have been going for 2000 years and their masonic puppets for 300 years. Their plan, which is now fruiting, was hatched 100 years ago in the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita. satan will continue his foolish battle against Our Blessed Lord long after the present crop of minions have joined him in hell.

"... took away the cement of the institutional church leaving the foundations & supporting columns to gradually crumble."

Here you go again - passionate, but misguided. The "foundations and supporting columns" of the Church are threefold - Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. These are guaranteed by Our Lord Himself never to fail, not even until the end of time. I know you did not mean it so, but your statement that the pillars of the Church can/are crumbling, is actually heresy. Your statement refutes the Promise of Christ.

The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth. The novus ordo church is not, so how can the novus ordo church be the Catholic Church? How can two opposites be mixed up as one? What has Christ with belial?

Keep hammering away and one day it will dawn on you and all R&Rs - a square peg cannot be hammered into a round hole. God bless you. :)

1:27 pm, August 17, 2017

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Irenaeus said...

I don't like to poke the bear on the sedevacantist vs. Recognize and Resist topic, but let me state my stance on the matter. When I had my formal reversion, I was working in an office. I asked questions of the Catholics who worked there, did my online research. I quickly found out about the two biggest four-letter priestly fraternities offering the TLM: the FSSP and SSPX. I was told by many to keep away from the SSPX. Being the newbie I was, I accepted that as fact.

A year on, I know better. The SSPX aren't sedes. They never were. People just take issue with the fact St. JPII excommunicated Lefebvre, and assume said excommunication means you can't accept him. His Eminence (God rest his soul) never denied the authority of the Pope. We all know this. The person who wrote the screed doesn't seem to, and has clearly influenced some more neo-con thinking friends of mine.

I sympathize with the sedevacantist position. I truly do. I understand the steps to get there, as I am sure most true (yes, there are true ones) traditionalists have gone along those lines of thinking at some point. My senior friends and I certainly have. But what stops me from becoming a sede is my knowledge of Protestant history. Despite my frustrations with the Pope and many of the prelates in the Church, I cannot take it upon myself to declare myself more knowledgeable than Christ and His Bride. That's pride right there, thinking I know better than God. The original sin, as it were.

If we take up the sede position, we are no better than Luther. Look what happened to him. He died fat and slovenly with the riches of the world, rather than as the austere Augustinian monk he pledged to be in that fateful thunderstorm.

Sedevacantism is Protestantism under another name, and that is why I am Recognize and Resist.

8:37 pm, August 17, 2017

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Johnno said...

I'll just toss in my two cents here with regards to the sede issue.

Indeed only one side can be right, but as of now this is unverifiable.

We only have possibilities and these remain until further information can be gleaned and substantiated.

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Here are inescapable facts.
- Pope Francis is currently the visible man widely believed to be the Pope.
- Pope Francis is a material heretic as proven by his words, actions and Papal documents.
- There are widespread doubts as to whether Francis remains Pope.
- There are growing doubts as to whether Francis was validly elected a Pope at all.
- Pope Benedict XVI's abdication was a partial one that created the idea of a dual Papacy, as evidenced by his own words, the words of his own secretary Ganswein, the about-turn by the previous head of the CDF Mueller who once denounced the very idea only to then substantiate it later as a possibility, along with the backhanded words about being someone unable to fully resign coming from Francis himself.

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Here are the theories. Some of which can be combined.

1. Pope Francis remains Pope via virtue of his heresy being material and not proven formal nor obstinate, and therefore possibly being held under ignorance.

2. Pope Francis has ceased to be Pope because his actions and words are significant enough to indicate formal heresy without requiring further diligent investigation, nor declarations of Church authorities.

3. Pope Francis was never validly elected Pope due to the deficient nature of Pope Benedict XVI's partial abdication being invalid.

4. Pope Francis was never validly elected Pope due to behind-the-scenes emerging evidence of pressure from Cardinals and staff within, as well as from outside such as the Obama administration and Soros-affiliated groups.

5. Belief that the Holy Spirit makes the Pope immune from all error. Which is the largest basis for a large portion of the Sedevacantists. Therefore if any Pope is said to be teaching error in any capacity, even in ignorance or only materially, he ceases to be Pope and no formal authority is necessary to declare it but the private judgment of individual Catholics.

3:09 am, August 19, 2017