Cardinal Pell Convicted, Details Available On Need-to-know Basis (and you don't need to know)

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 - 23:30
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Cardinal Pell Convicted, Details Available On Need-to-know Basis (and you don't need to know)
The Grinch who attacked Marian dogmas, and kangaroo trials aplenty - Sunday 25th of November to Saturday 29th of December

 

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Hal • 18 days ago

I don't know but I am just wondering if this is partly tied to the fact that Cardinal Pell had found out some mismanagement by some other cardinals in the IOR (bank). Don't for a minute think that there isn't a country that is free from Vatican influence in some quarters and I include Oz in this.

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    Antony • 18 days ago

    Cardinal Pell is a honest, courageous, good, man. This whole 'Salem' witch-hunt - in relation to this good Archbishop - is closely involved in Pell's uncovering the money laundering going on in the Vatican Bank.

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      pamino Antony • 15 days ago

      That may very well be true, but it has no bearing on the points on which he has been charged.

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    Radical Trad Antony • 18 days ago

    Very good point. Remember it was Bergolio who suspended the audit by the accounting firm Price Waterhouse; Pell was a proponent of the audit.

    After the audit more, financial scandals surfaced. Remember the $25 million “grant” Bergolio gave to the corrupt dermatological hospital in Rome accused of money laundering?

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      Rory Donnellan Radical Trad • 17 days ago

      The last guy to have knowledge of money laundering and corruption by the Vatican bank, Roberto Calvi, was found swinging by the neck under London's Blackfriars Bridge in a suspected masonic ritual slaying. Archbishop Paul Marcinkus wanted in connection with Roberto Calvi's death was protected by the Vatican's diplomatic immunity.

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      david romero Rory Donnellan • 16 days ago

      Holy Moley! Would you kindly direct me to more information about this? While I'm at it, do you find it chillingly odd that Cardinal Vigano is nowhere to be found? And why have we neither seen nor heard from Benedict XVI?

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Radical Trad • 18 days ago

I have no idea if Cardinal Pell is innocent or guilty . Like Michael says we just don’t have the evidence to make a judgment one way or the other.

However, it is something to see Bergolio immediately pounce, even before Pell was convicted! All the while Uncle Ted is living it up in a swank Washington residence.

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    Mike44R • 18 days ago

    As I recall, Pell was acquitted at least once, and I think twice, on these very same charges. I wonder what that says viz a viz a lynch mob? Apparently Australia does not have a double jeopardy clause in their constitution - all the better to "screw" you, my dear, especially if you are a Catholic priest. The gag order makes me question the proceedings - smacks of unethicsl, unjust and corrupt shebanigans by the court/judge.

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      pamino Mike44R • 17 days ago

      He is appealing, of course, I imagine to the Supreme Court of Victoria with the option of further appeal to the High Court of Australia. I don’t think however that this case has anything to do with the Australian Constitution as embodied in the Act of the Westminster Parliament intituled The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, assented to by Queen Victoria and proclaimed not at Westminster but in Sydney on 01.01.1901; if it did, however, the High Court of Australia and not the Supreme Court of Victoria would be the first appellate instance. As far as I know, Pell was not acquitted in the former trial, but the jury failed to agree, so that he was tried again with a new jury which then agreed on convicting him. I agree that conviction by a Victorian court is unsafe in the case of a Catholic prelate in view of the notorious and long-exisiting sharp division of the Victoria Police into Catholics and Freemasons.

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      Rory Donnellan pamino • 17 days ago

      Ecumaniac attempts to smooth over the long-standing rift between Melbourne's grippers (freemasons) and micks (Catholics) have been made in more recent decades. Here's an excerpt from the Melbourne Herald-Sun reported in Christian Order in early 2004: "After 80 years of mutual suspicion, Catholics and Freemasons will come together for a historic ceremony in Melbourne next week. The Catholic Knights of the Southern Cross will march into Dallas Brooks Hall, home of Melbourne’s Freemasons, on Wednesday night to seal an unlikely bond between the two often-secretive and hostile groups. It will be the first time anywhere in the world that the Pope’s flag has been carried into a Masonic assembly. The thawing in relations between the "Grippers" (Masons) and the "Micks" (Catholics) has come because of a remarkably successful alliance to help the reconstruction of East Timor…. Wednesday night’s public show of unity was decided on in a departure lounge at Adelaide airport last month after a discussion between the Grand Master of Freemasons Victoria, John Evans, and the chairman of the Catholic Knights of the Southern Cross, Colin Walsh. The two men had shared a life-changing experience in East Timor… Mr Evans and Mr Walsh believe the public show of solidarity will bury 80 years of prejudice and suspicion between two groups. "This is a big breaking of the barriers," said Mr Walsh, who heads more than 5000 Knights in Victoria. "I’m taking a bit of heat on it, surprisingly from some younger members, but a small minority isn’t going to stop us."

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    James Hetfield • 18 days ago

    I am someone who lives in Australia, and attended Pell’s installation as Archbishop of Sydney in 2001 (he was previously Bishop of Melbourne). Melbourne is Australia’s most liberal city, sort of like New York or San Francisco. Anyway, the Victorian police force and judiciary have a reputation for having many freemasons so it’s unlikely the Cardinal would have received any sort of fair trial. Like the Remnant, I’m no admirer of George Weigel but he wrote a good article on these charges against Pell in a National Review piece in 2017 titled the ‘Persecution of Cardinal George Pell’. He is in the same situation as President Trump, in that the godless mob, including those in the Vatican at the highest levels, have been baying for his head, and they may have got it. An all-out war with the left and liberals may not meet the Church’s just war doctrine, but I think it is inevitable in the next 10-20 years. This demonic hatred and fury exhibited by the left against anyone in a position of power who dares do the right thing just can’t keep continuing on

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      pamino James Hetfield • 17 days ago

      1. Pell was previously Archbishop of Melbourne, which has been an archdiocese since before the First World War.
      2. Half of the Victoria Police are Masons, the other half are Catholics, and the two are at daggers drawn.
      For the rest, I am in complete agreement with James Hetfield.

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Rory Donnellan • 18 days ago

This smacks of another cloak and dagger hit from the freemasons. Kangaroo courts which enforce women's supposed "right" to mass-murder preborn children cannot be trusted.

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Linda Olson • 18 days ago

I don't know if he is guilty or not, but this court imposed gag order is unbelievable. I don't think this is the case with any previous trial. They WANT to have the details public in order to vilify them more.
The victims can easily be protected by simply not naming names. It is too much of a coincidence with the Vatican Bank problems and Francis is more than happy to throw Pell, a conservative, under the bus and get rid of him.
Not to minimize the horrors visited upon the victims, but one wonders if the Vatican contacted them to press charges.
I don't believe for 1 second we've seen the bottom of is this whole anguishing, filthy rot we now see before us. My gut tells me there is still alot we know nothing about yet.

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    Rory Donnellan • 17 days ago

    Notice how all those who have been consistently fighting for separation of Church and State suddenly have no problems whatsoever with a Prince of the Church being tried and convicted in a most horribly corrupt State court, which aggressively enforces the savage mass-slaughter of pre-born children and homosexual fake-marriages. True, Cardinal Pell has been limp-wristed on the evolution hoax, but after his very courageous refusal of Holy Communion to the rainbow sash weirdos, it's hard to believe this Cardinal is among those afflicted with the homosexual disorder.

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bluewren • 17 days ago

I will never believe these accusations against Archbishop Pell because there are those who will do and say anything to bring disgrace to the Catholic Church.Also for compensation money.May God repay this injustice to his most faithful servant in spades and the lying witnesses as well.This is my prayer.

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    goatally_ewesome • 16 days ago

    https://catholicherald.co.u...

    I don't know anything about this man....but it seems that his dastardly deed involved getting undressed in his room with a couple of teens after getting soaked in a rainstorm and waiting for their clothes to dry. Not really the best move....especially as apparently he has a history....but seriously?

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      pamino goatally_ewesome • 15 days ago

      No, the men’s changing room of an outdoor swimming-pool; the “swimmers’ case”. There’s also the “cathedral case”. At least this latter is trumped-up.

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    jennabellatrix • 15 days ago

    I live in Melbourne and Cardinal George Pell has always been an outspoken, orthodox Catholic who holds to traditional Catholic values. In fact, in 2003, his second cousin, Monica Hingston, a former nun and lesbian, wrote a letter which challenged the Church’s stance on homosexuality and George Pell, then Archbishop of Sydney, responded via The Age (11 January, 2004): “The Church's views are well known and will not change. I support them. In these situations the first 11 verses of Chapter 8 of St John's Gospel give food for thought. I wish Monica well and acknowledge the contribution she has made. I continue to regret the path she has chosen." (He was referring, of course, to the story of the adulterous woman in which Jesus said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone", but also tells the woman to “go and sin no more".)

    Cardinal Pell instituted the Melbourne Response for the victims of child abuse when he became Archbishop of Melbourne (1996), he cleaned out the Melbourne Seminary of homosexuals, and as Archbishop of Sydney vehemently opposed the “gay” Mardi Gras. As a result, he made many enemies...look how much money that particular event makes every year...we’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars.
    Over the years, George Pell has been targeted by the media and various media “personalities” who support the “acronym” agenda and who have no problem slandering his name, that of the Catholic Church and Jesus Christ Himself. Anti-Catholic sentiment and tall poppy syndrome are still very much a part of the culture here in Australia.

    As for Bergoglio and his homosexualist minions, all I can say is, well, isn’t this all very convenient! As a traditional Catholic who has upheld Church Teaching and spoken against homosexuality, Cardinal Pell is definitely NOT one of the anti-Pope’s inner circle and I’m sure they could not wait to see him leave Rome for Australia:

    In 2014, during the first Synod, Cardinal Pell recognised the situation and stated:

    "Communion for the divorced and remarried is for some -- very few, certainly not the majority of synod fathers -- it's only the tip of the iceberg, it's a stalking horse. They want wider changes, recognition of civil unions, recognition of homosexual unions,"

    “The church cannot go in that direction. It would be a capitulation from the beauties and strengths of the Catholic tradition, where people sacrificed themselves for hundreds, for thousands of years to do this."

    One more very important thing to keep in mind is that, as you mentioned, Cardinal Pell is also Vatican Treasurer and he had been conducting a serious reform of Vatican finances, ‘which met with increasing resistance as he began to discover large sums of money that had not been recorded in financial statements.’ You can bet that Bergoglio and his minions are only too happy to have him out of the way. George Pell is not the type of person who would ever go along to get along. I do not believe him to be guilty and I cannot help but feel he has been thrown to the lions.

    Let us pray for him.

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      jennabellatrix Rory Donnellan • 15 days ago

      Thank you... I try to stay away from the details just in case. The media and various people supporting the “acronym” agenda here have been trying to get him one way or another (by hook or by crook as they say) for years. It’s interesting how quickly Bergoglio gave him up when he has protected someone like McCarrick but then one was bringing money in and the other was about to find out exactly where it has been going. It’s a very sad situation.   God Bless.

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      Rory Donnellan jennabellatrix • 15 days ago

      Cardinal Pell also firmly opposed the official Vatican party-line pushing the global warming hoax. Yes, the aggro Aussie propaganda machine makes even notorious US fake-news networks seem tame by comparison.

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      Chloe Rory Donnellan • 14 days ago

      I remember his wonderful comment that environmentalists cared more about creatures that "breathed through their bottoms" (turtles) than people!

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James • 15 days ago

My instincts tell me that Pell is innocent. They are supported by facts reported over the last year regarding the incidents and the accusers. Pell is the sacrificial lamb of a Australian secular society thirsty for blood to "baptize" a licentious culture.

 

 

 

 

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I have already written about the Cardinal Pell case  in some detail and I shall not do much more here. I shall, however,  let  Rory Donnellan sum up my take on modern Western courts:

Kangaroo courts which enforce women's supposed "right" to mass-murder preborn children cannot be trusted.