Cardinal Burke’s “Final Plea” to Pope Francis: Our Take

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Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 19:15
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    Amen to all the above, Steve.

    I am sure that the likes of Bishop Barron are well-intentioned, but their desire to "seize" control of the agenda and no doubt turn it away from the defects of AL and concentrate on the "good bits" miss the point. The "good bits" say nothing that is not already present in the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the Church, whereas the errors undermine everything which has gone before. To look at it in the round, emphasize the "good bits" and ignore the errors is equivalent to feeding one's children a sumptious banquet in which you know there are 19 grains of arsenic concealed. A good father would throw the lot in the garbage and not trust to luck that his children don't ingest the arsenic. Bishops like Bobby B are just not good fathers - they are murderers of souls.

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      Absolutely, Deacon Augustine. When the AL came out, I said to someone, this is a fine cake laced with poisonous raisins. What kind of a love does a parent have to offer their children such food? And the bishops and cardinals are quiet. Shame, shame on them! They are the only ones who can do something about this. Shame, shame, and more shame on them. Too bad they don't have the ability to feel shame!

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    That’s what many of our Bishops look like

     

     

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    Thanks for the creepy picture...

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    Insofar as Steve's angst:

    "...Everyone wants to know what to expect. Everyone is wondering, and frustrated...."

    I am reminded of the passage from the Gospel:

    "Seeing him, Peter asked Jesus, And what of this man, Lord? Jesus said to him, If it is my will that he should wait till I come, what is it to thee? Do thou follow me." John 21:21-22

    Pray and trust in God.

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    "The "good bits" say nothing that is not already present in the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the Church."

    That jumped out at me the first time I read AL. The "good bits," and there are many of them, mean nothing -- zilch -- in light of the heresies, which are a wrecking ball for the Church. If Bishop Barron can't see that he's just another lousy, weak Vatican II appeaser. He needs to stop the posturing and decide whose side he's on. The choice is Bergoglio or Christ.

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    AL is poison dressed up to look like Sugar. Bishop B is not to be trusted

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    I never did. There was always something off...

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    Actually Cardinal +Burke didn't use the term "final plea". That was Edward Pentin, and while +Burke agreed, he did not repeat the term.
    Which makes one think this was not a "final plea" in the mind of +Burke before the interview began.

    I don't believe it will be +Burke who delivers us. It will be someone we never considered.

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      Forgive my cynicism, but I am convinced (hoping to be proven wrong) that Burke will do nothing as far as a final confrontation with Francis---which is precisely what Francis by his silence and through agents provocaterus is hoping to provoke. Burke will not do it because, like for most Catholics today, the Pope=the Faith and vice-versa---a true distortion of the Petrine office that Catholics in most previous centuries would not have recognized as harmonious with the Catholic Faith. Poor Cardinal Burke: he meant well, among so many episcopal cowards he has a measure (and only a measure) of courage, and he would love to defend boldly the Faith. But he does not dare: he is no match for the Machiavellian Bergoglio. There is a new religion afoot masquerading for the religion of our forefathers.

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      At least Cardinal Burke is doing something perhaps not as swiftly or effectively as we would wish, Why criticize let alone be cynical of him. He's 69, I don't know he may have health issues, he is treading a very difficult fine line I'am sure he never anticipated. My cynicism is reserved for all those who not only don't support him but remain silent, very likely even amongst themselves. Who else trying to take their duty as seriously as Cardinal Burke is, like in saving souls. He seems to be getting flak from every point on the compass, try placing yourself in his shoes. We better not only pray for him but support him in every way we can not many seem inclined to take his place.

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    "Burke will not do it because, like for most Catholics today, the Pope=the Faith and vice-versa."

    That's the one thing I can't understand about Cardinal Burke. He obviously sees what Bergoglio is doing, yet he continues -- and there's no other way to say this -- to support him. If the Pope is the faith, then Bergoglio is not the Pope. There's no way around that, so the only path for all faithful bishops is to declare it a fact that Bergoglio has removed himself from the Chair of Peter and buy him a one-way ticket to Buenos Aires.

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      Cardinal Burke suffers from the effeminacy the rest of the hierarchy does, due to the VII poison in his bloodstream. It's been over a year since the "Dubia," and nothing from him. Like everyone else, he doesn't wish to be cut off from the easy life; he'll say just enough to be considered a "Trad Hero," then he can fly around the world and speak at fancy banquets and receive adulation from his adoring fans. Bergoglio is the biggest disgrace in the history of the Church, obviously hates the Church, and no one from the hierarchy has done anything. Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us!

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      I think you're making unsupported allegations there, John. Cardinal Burke is a faithful servant of Christ and His Church. He may be a little too cautious in these times of terror, but 'effeminacy' and VII poison are unconscionable accusations. Financial allegations are things I'd like you to prove. Cardinal Burke has lots of friends and admirers and he'd be welcome in the best homes and sacristies in the world. He'd never have to pick up a tab for food and drinks.

      Shooting your mouth off is comforting at times, but it won't get you points in heaven. Say something serious and you may get some credibility. It's not true nobody has done anything. You mean done anything to depose the heretic. That's true, but is isn't as easy as we'd like to have it. Cardinal Burke is a Canon lawyer in the first rank of the law. He has to deal with things you know nothing about. The Church is his first concern. If you think otherwise, you're not up to date.

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      How many more days does he (Burke) remain silent? You know, it's been over a year since the "Dubia," meanwhile the Bergoglio debacle continues, unabated. What is he afraid of losing? These guys (hierarchy) don't have to worry about feeding a family, earning a living day to day; time for him to stand up like a man, defend the Faith. Countless souls continue to be lost with this current disaster upon us.
      With regard to his not being affected by VII poison, I don't know how you make the case, given his constant praise of liturgy wrecker and author of the "Theology of The Body" disaster, "Saint" JPII. JPII "The Great," he who compiled the Chatechism saying the Muslims worship the God of Abraham, a heresy. Remember our Lord's words, "no one comes to the Father but by me."

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      I find it difficult to disagree with much of your message. JPII is greatly overrated, I agree. Cardinal Burke is a disappointment to many of the faithful, including me, but as a Canon judge and lawyer he must dot every i and cross every t. He can't simply pontificate like a pope on an airplane. He can't make mistakes. I have no love for Vatican II, but "Vatican II poison" is vague. I don't know what he's doing. I have ceased having any expectations from him. Now I just wait and pray. When I'm day-dreaming I like to think he's trying to convince enough bishops to join him in declaring Bergoglio a manifest heretic and depose him, but that's up to God. When He's had enough, He will act. That i'm sure of. Keep the Faith.

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    Cardinal Burke is under Holy Obedience to support the Pope. Cardinal Burke is also under Holy Obedience to Jesus Christ. I think he's doing the best he can under the circumstances. It's better that Burke be in the position he is than another heretic in his place....that would make matters worse I guess.

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      There is no way to serve Christ and Bergoglo at the same time. Cardinal Burke should know that. As I said above, it's either Christ or Bergoglio. One or the other. Fence straddling is for the weak.

      What position is Cardinal Burke in? He's been marginalized. Okay, he's back on the Court. Big deal. Having taken him off and put him back on, Bergoglio can't take him off again. While the Cardinal is fiddling around the heretics are being promoted. Every day.

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    The Pope is not the faith. The Pope is entrusted by Christ to defend the faith. Popes can and do fail at their office not only in their character but also in teaching. Look at Peter.

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    " If the Pope is the faith, then Bergoglio is not the Pope."

    Pope Francis is NOT "the faith". A human person (body & soul; material & immaterial) cannot be wholly immaterial (the faith).

    Even if that was possible, Pope Francis is NOT the object of divine and Catholic Faith (de fide divina et catholicam) - and giving him the benefit of the doubt, imo I think he'd agree.

    The Pope is infallible only under the exact conditions laid down by Vatican I (1869-70). Otherwise, he's like the rest of us. (And yes, I know about the OUM. )

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    I agree with Dr. Carballo who said, “Burke will not do it because, like for most Catholics today, the Pope=the Faith and vice-versa---a true distortion of the Petrine office that Catholics in most previous centuries would not have recognized as harmonious with the Catholic Faith.”

    Every defense offered in support of Pope Francis against his critics can be reduced to this simple but grave error: ‘The pope is the rule of faith therefore whatever he says or does is what every Catholic must say and do!’ Many also believe in its corollary that the Indefectibility of the Church means that the pope can never lead any Catholic into error. The consequences as we are seeing can be a matter of heaven or hell.

    The remote rule of faith is scripture and tradition. The proximate rule of faith is DOGMA. The Indefectibility of the Church is evidenced by faithful Catholics who will not be lead into error even by the pope. The problem for Cardinal Burke is not just that he believes that the pope is the rule of faith, he has taken oath in the 1989 Profession of Faith to submit his “mind and will” to the “authentic magisterium” of Pope Francis and Amoris Laetitia is an act of the authentic magisterium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Indeed we are all waiting for a correction to come.

We are tired of warnings and final warnings which never amount to anything.