Bergoglio will approve women "deacons"

M. Prodigal said...

My son informed me last night that he intends to marry in a non-denom 'church'. He has been raised Catholic and goes to Mass. He started marriage prep at a parish and got bogged down. So he, like all his cousin who bother to marry, are doing so outside of the Catholic Church. And I seem to be the only one to have a problem with it. It is a thorn in my heart! And as I look around at the imploding Church, I have to wonder who does believe in all the things the Church has taught? Not the pope, not those cardinal who lie shamelessly, not our feel good pastors (some with boyfriends)...who but those who attend a TLM accept these things? Where is the Church? Where? Where are the shepherds in the midst of our cesspool secular society? Where? Our children are falling away and who even cares about their souls. I do and m heart is broken. Yeah, bring on the deaconettes and the sodomites and the masons and the communists...but, Lord, where is your Church?

Dorota Mosiewicz-Patalas said...

@ M. Prodigal

As long as he lives, there is a chance he will repent for this. I know I have. God bless you. I am sorry.

1:20 pm, January 17, 2019

Tom A. said...

And why not women deaconesses. The conservatives and trads in the NO long ago compromised with the modernists over ecumenism and religious liberty. Eventually they will cave in on gay marriage. So is women deaconesses the final line in the sand that the conservatives and NO trads will hold. I doubt it very much. There will be much hand wringing, lamenting, and eye rolling, but the NO train has left the station and if you think that is the Catholic Church then you better get onboard.

1:21 pm, January 17, 2019

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

The Church is not under demonic attack. The Church not only has willingly capitulated to Satan but serves as his ally. Read about the vision that motivated Leo XIII to compose his prayer to St. Michael the Archangel. The implications are frightening.

2:42 pm, January 17, 2019

Anonymous said...

M. Prodigal - I will pray for you, your son and family. We can't rely on our wayward priests, so we must educate ourselves on the old Faith so that we can put our families back on the true and straight path. Here's a great place to start: Baltimore Catechism, Sunday School Teacher's Explanation, read it here for free:

https://archive.org/details/sundayschoolteac00urbauoft/page/n3

Most people wanted priests who are like themselves, and God has obliged. Vatican 2 introduced the concept of "Religious Liberty" and we wonder why most don't believe that outside the Church there is no salvation, and that it doesn't matter what we believe as long as we're "spiritual". I used to be part of a parish committee with persons who are influential in the suburban NYC area. This was an eye opening experience for a naive person. At least 10 years ago they were trying to give women a greater role in the mass and sacramental functions, and now there will be women deacons. About 2 years ago the talk was to allow other religious organizations to use our church space for their services and to have a united "prayer ceremony" with priests...so in a few years (or sooner) there may be a new missal that allows for a co-celebration with buddhists, baptists, lutherans, hindus.

Lex Orandi, Lex Credenti, Lex Vivendi - how you pray affects what you believe which affects how you live...we need to go back to what worked in the past and still works in small traditional communities. Our Lord Jesus Christ wants us to worship Him in Truth, because He is the Truth, the Way, and the Life. I have come to realize that the True Church is not with those who occupy the institution of Rome, it is with those who have retained the pureness of the Faith, Doctrine, and Tradition as was taught prior to V2. There are some priests out there that did not go along with V2 or the changes that were made to the Mass just prior to the council in the 1950's (in the 1950's the Holy Week masses were changed and this was a precursor for subsequent changes made at V2). By the Grace of God, I found an independent Chapel whose priests say the Latin Tridentine Mass of the 1945 missal (sorry to repeat but it should be made clear that the 1945 is not the same as the 1962 Traditional Latin Mass missal which is said in Diocesan churches, 1962 contains changes to Holy Week which was the precursor to the new mass of V2). If you've never been to a true Latin Tridentine Mass don't be discouraged, it will take a few visits before you get acclimated but it will be worth it.

We're on a slippery slope (to you know where), Tradition is the rock on which the Church must be restored and the Social Kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ re-established.

BC

2:52 pm, January 17, 2019

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Master Dickey said...

"You and I must oppose these wicked people and their machinations". I hare you sentiments, but opposing is not the same thing as defeating and these monsters must be defeated. Does anyone have an actionable war plan for engaging and destroying these mobsters? Blogs, tweets, websites, and praying aren't going to be enough. Someone needs to come up with a plan and quickly.

6:19 pm, January 17, 2019

Kathleen1031 said...

M Prodigal, be Saint Monica. When our son was a boy he attended Catholic school and read scripture often. We somewhat anticipated he may have a vocation. Now I'm appreciative he did not discern one. In fact, after our pastor selected him for the Holy Thursday washing of the feet and told he and his teen fellow lectors "make sure you wash your g-d da-- feet", it wasn't long before my son went to the local Pentecostal church. He's jumped around in denominations since then, and frankly, he's a superb Christian husband, man, and father, but I'd be lying if I said my heart didn't hurt that he is not Catholic. I buy him a traditional Catholic calendar each year, and ask God to bring he and his lovely bride to the fullness of the faith. These men gave him no reason to stay. Catholicism has been neutered.

The church, as we knew it, is gone. These men no longer upset me nor break my heart, because I've accepted it's gone. We still attend the Latin Rite, and I expect at some point, it will be gone. No more Novus Ordo for us, we're done, convinced now that VII brought in the end, purposefully, and they've been wildly successful. Nope. This is not Catholicism, and those men are apostates and active homosexuals or both, not Catholics.
Stay faithful fellow pilgrims.

6:57 pm, January 17, 2019

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Anonymous said...

Deaconess is passé. I want to see a Popessa. These traitors have no balls to be avantgarde.

8:05 pm, January 17, 2019

Melanie said...

We need a Pope. Not an anti-Christian or a mostly Catholic or a Freemason but a Catholic man elected by Catholics to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth. Everything else is just handwringing. So where are the Catholics to do this? If they exist, now would be the time to step up.

12:05 am, January 18, 2019

Dan said...

Kathleen, I share your sentiments. But in a world where the "church" has become unfaithful to Her own teachings, I have to ask, "stay faithful to what?"

4:13 am, January 18, 2019

Dan said...

Basically I feel guilty that I'm aiding and abetting by attending mass and being "faithful" in this current situation AND feel guilty if I DON'T!

4:20 am, January 18, 2019

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Peter Lamb said...

It has been held by the Catholic Church that the vast majority of Catholics will leave the faith at the end of time, including those in Rome. There are many different opinions among theologians how this will happen, but all agree that it will happen. Cardinal Manning tells us, “Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.”
“The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatize from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism.”

4:40 am, January 18, 2019

Michael Dowd said...

And the women deacons are only a stepping stone to women priests, Bishops and beyond.Pope Francis has been able to complete the Protestantization of the Catholic Church begun at Vatican II with little resistance. And why should most Catholics resist? They would think they would be accused of looking a gift-horse in the month. Unfortunate for them this is a gift-horse with an eternal bite.

8:17 am, January 18, 2019

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Kathleen1031 said...

Dan, what Peter Lamb said here. There will always be a faithful remnant.
I like to think we're part of that remnant. It makes it possible to exist in such a time.

11:37 pm, January 18, 2019

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Aqua,

The above is from Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 79, 88.

In 1861, Cardinal Henry Edward Manning had presented several lectures in which he predicted that the anti-christian persecution of the Church would begin with people becoming indifferent to truth in religious matters. His Eminence said verbatim:

"The first sign or mark of this coming persecution is an indifference to truth. Just as there is dead calm before a whirlwind, and as the waters over a great fall run like glass, so before an outbreak there is a time of tranquillity. The first sign is indifference. The sign that portends more surely than any other the outbreak of a future persecution is a sort of scornful indifference to truth or falsehood. Ancient Rome in its might and power adopted every false religion from all its conquered nations, and gave to each of them a temple within its walls. It was sovereignly and contemptuously indifferent to all the superstitions of the earth. It encouraged them; for each nation had its own proper superstition, and that proper superstition was a mode of tranquillising, of governing, and of maintaining in subjection, the people who were indulged by building a temple within its gates. In like manner we see the nations of the Christian world at this moment gradually adopting every form of religious contradiction — that is, giving it full scope, and, as it is called, perfect toleration; not recognising any distinctions of truth or falsehood between one religion or another, but leaving all forms of religion to work their own way."

(Cardinal Henry Edward Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See Tested by Prophecy, Lecture IV [London: Burns & Lambert, 1861], pp. 69-70)

8:52 am, January 19, 2019

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Aqua,

Here is the link I was looking for. You can download his lectures, or buy the booklet. Scroll down to the bottom of the post. I wish everybody would read this post - especially Little Mark. :)

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/the-pope-and-the-antichrist.htm

9:03 am, January 19, 2019

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Tom A. said...

Yes, Francis is simply the completion of Vatican 2. To understand this crisis, one needs to understand that JP2 and B16 were temporary reactions to the V2 revolution. After Paul 6, the revolution train was slowed down but never reversed. Frankie is simply putting more coal in the boilers where his predecessors had their feet on the brake. This revolution does not stop as long as Catholics accept V2 as a valid council and accept modernists as valid popes and bishops. They are not Catholic.

12:35 pm, January 19, 2019

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Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Dan, read this carefully: You are not damned if you refuse to support an ecclesiastical institution that has become apostate and sold its soul to Satan! Too many Catholics have been brainwashed to believe that without the Church (aka, the ecclesiastical establishment), they cannot attain salvation. Bollocks! Christ Himself is the Resurrection and the Life. Nobody comes to the Father but by Him, not by a bunch of corrupt, Satan-worshipping clerics and prelates who have discarded their Petrine patrimony for wealth, power, prestige, secular influence, intellectual fashion and institutional arrogance.

If you are in Christ, then you are not guilty!! See Romans 8: 31-39. Don't let a bunch of theological tarts tell you otherwise!

3:27 pm, January 19, 2019

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Anonymous said...

The novus ordo V2 "church" is built on the twin pillars of homosexuality and feminism; the two mutually disordered sides of the same evil didrachma coin. The world hates God's plan of salvation and the complimentary roles of men and women in His plan. The V2 church loves the world and begs for its approval. Remember too that the prince of this world is Satan ( John 16:11 ) and Christ's kingdom is not of this world. (John 18:36) The repudiation of priestly celibacy and the ordination of women deacons by Bergoglio is the latest diabolical instance of the hierarchy seeking the approval of the world and the world reciprocates with its increasing hatred for the Divine will. "Leave me all of you who do evil for the Lord has heard the sound of my weeping." Psalm 6

8:19 am, January 20, 2019

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Justina said...

If people (including the right-leaning members of the hierarchy) will sit back and swallow the semi-resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and his outrageous attempt to somehow "remain in the enclosure of Saint Peter" in its wake, then they will sit back and swallow anything. Yes; John Paul II taught with crystal clarity that the admission of women to any kind of Holy Orders is so impossible in the sight of Almighty God that, among Catholics, the topic is not even to be discussed. But he also taught that there is no such thing as a "pope emeritus," either.

Anyone willing to compromise the Faith by pretending that there is--which is just about everybody, these days, including the self-hallowed sedes who perverted their own respect for the papacy many decades ago--will be willing to go on pretending about nearly everything else, too.

So until people have the guts to confront the central challenge of our day, I don't want to hear it. If Bergoglio is the pope, you're going to have to grin and bear whatever he tries to bring about.

Thanks be to God, that he isn't.

9:13 am, January 20, 2019

Tom A. said...

Actually JP2 left some wiggle room with Ordinatio sacerdotalis. He could have been much clearer but he chose the modernist way of leaving just enough doubt as to its nature.

12:13 pm, January 20, 2019