Archbishop Sample’s Sermon Praising TLM, Criticizing Novus Ordo

Author: 

Frank, Tantumblogo , Baseballmomof8, skeinster,  J M Butkiewicz,Tim, Gary Laidlaw, Katie 

Date: 
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 22:30
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1. Frank - May 7, 2018

As always you make excellent points. But at the same time, let’s be realistic. For Abp. Sample to say as much as he did was a massive boost for traditional liturgy, especially in a time when anyone who fails to toe the Modernist FrancisChurch line risks being reassigned to one of those peripheries Bergoglio loves to prattle on about. We can’t realistically expect him to sound like Abp. Lefebvre in a worldwide televised homily from the flagship Catholic Church of the USA. He’s still a post-V2 bishop who can’t throw that unfortunate Council entirely under the bus and maintain any influence or credibility in the world we live in. Let’s be happy that he planted these seeds in such a prominent way and work from there.

Tantumblogo - May 7, 2018

Good comment. I think it might have been possible to avoid the “mutual enrichment” jag without going into full bore trad mode, but it is what it is. I tried to sound positive overall. If I failed, let me know.

Baseballmomof8 - May 8, 2018

Definitely picked up on the effort to sound positive…. and the idea that this is clearly a very promising step in a very long battle.

Frank - May 8, 2018

I didn’t think you were negative overall. My thought was to encourage you with the good parts of the story and to avoid focusing too much on where Abp. Sample could have been more strongly traditional and less “V-2-ish”.

 

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3. skeinster - May 8, 2018

“and the 3 year cycle of readings almost totally divorced from the ancient (and one might say, inspired) flow of the liturgical year,”

This is especially clear if you own a St. Andrew’s missal. There is a header for all Sunday readings explaining their connection to the Divine Office for that week.

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5. J M Butkiewicz - May 8, 2018

With all due respect to the Archbishop, the TLM is Catholic, the Novus Ordo is Protestant. Both can not coexist.

Tim - May 9, 2018

BULLS. EYE.

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6. Gary Laidlaw - May 9, 2018

As an 11 year old altar boy (1956/57) serving at the holy sacrifice of the Mass, when the priest put the transubstantiated communion host on my tongue, I knew in my heart that I was receiving the sacred body, blood, soul, and divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ into my body and soul. So it’s no surprise to me if young people prefer the true Roman Catholic Latin Mass to today’s bland and boring “celebrations of the Eucharist”. The revolution against the true Mass was no “mistake”. The only way to get the “New Mass” accepted by Catholics world-wide was to intentionally suppress the true Mass, and the bishops have done a very good job of that for close to 5 decades. It’s said that the the devil walks on the skulls of bishops in hell – I think I may know at least on reason why.

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7. Tim - May 9, 2018

The first pope ordained a priest in the Novus Ordo rite…….more and more great fruit!

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8. Tim - May 11, 2018
Camper - May 13, 2018

Deep down I just wonder if there is something wrong with a man that makes him want to be a cleric serving nuChurch.

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9. Katie - May 14, 2018

You were absolutely right to say there are no ways for the novus ordo to enrich the Traditional Latin Mass. They are completely different. As one comment above said, the new mass is protestant and the True Mass (Latin Mass) is Catholic. There is nothing wrong for saying what you did and there was nothing negative about it. We need more people to say what is true. And the truth is that Archbishop Sample should be denouncing the new mass completely. We shouldn’t be happy just because he gives us some good, while still making sure we get the bad with it. And the bad is to say that the new mass has anything good or enriching about it.
How can we ever get out of the crisis if the Bishops and Priests will not come out and condemn the novus ordo and demand a full return to the True Mass.
Thanks for all your good posts
Haven’t seen you in awhile, hope you and your family are doing well.

Katie

 

 

 

 

 

Own comment: 

My view on 'mutual enrichment' between the authentic Tridentine Mass and the inauthentic and obviously harmful Novus Ordo is not entirely opposed to that of J M Butkiewicz:

With all due respect to the Archbishop, the TLM is Catholic, the Novus Ordo is Protestant. Both can not coexist.

 

Co-exist they may, but they are far from equals, with the Novus Ordo's best utility being as a cautionary tale; a warning of what happens when men destroy the divine to promote the mundane.