Another group of women destroyed by the Vatican Congregation for Religious

“Once upon a time we took care of our own and didn’t rely on the nanny state to do everything.”

Amen. The control or destruction of the family and religious charities, and the juvenilization of society, are goals of the Left today. The bloody lessons of Communist ideology and rule are still unlearned by many to this day. Utopia and Power are powerful narcotics. But Jesus Christ has already triumphed over paganism.

“The mother superior and the novice mistress where exiled to distant monasteries and replaced with three modernist commissioners.”

Kommissars…

No problem with forceful, swift, hardliner judgements and actions by this Pontificate…unless of course we’re dealing with sodomitical rapist. Then it’s all “silence”, “mercy” and “who am I to judge.”

At what point is it ok to stop, look around, assess the situation and come to the conclusion that there are (at least) two different religions both calling themselves Catholic?

Fr Z help me, we are to love our pope, HOW can we love a man who is willfully destroying things. Despise the sin love the sinner, so Despise the actions love the pope??
How can a man feel any loyalty with all that is going on. I feel I cannot in good faith pray for his intentions, seems many of his intentions are not good, I am in a quandary, never seemed to have these problems with Benedict
someone more skilled than me needs to make a meme of Benedict with the caption “miss me yet” in the vein of the G W Bush ones I have seen

In the present climate, what’s the advantage for women religious to be canonically erected at all? Besides reservation of the Sanctissimum.

Couldn’t they just exist as de facto private associations of the faithful with private vows, and the bishop wouldn’t have any more authority over their community than he would over a private home?

What I wonder is what God expects us to think about this. Obviously He is pleased to allow it to happen, and I think we all know that we can all expect to see much, much worse in the near future. How does he expect or desire us to respond?

Realize that whatever you might say in response, that is the opposite of what those He allowed to be in charge desire, and they are the ones who have the power to crush you out of existence, because they are the only ones who can define what “being catholic” means. The alternative is a sort of schismatic protestant existence where we all define for ourselves, based upon our own individual reading of “tradition”, what “being catholic” means.

I suppose one could say that as long as one doesn’t try very hard to do something good, or at least if one does try to do something good, one makes sure one is ultimately enough of a failure at it so as not to arouse any notice, one might be safe from being crushed out of existence – at least for a while.

And in the meantime, pray that the Muslim hordes take over fast so we can all be martyred quickly before the Vatican gets around to excommunicating us.

Honestly that’s the best outcome I can see.

All according to plan, and going swimmingly. JEF, that’s it exactly, we have two Catholic faiths going on, one true, one false.
The false ones have all the power and all the money and all the buildings and all the titles. They persecute the faithful, both laity and religious. It’s likely to get far worse before it ever gets better, but I’m a pessimist of sorts. I could be wrong. Personally I would far prefer the true church with Mass held in someone’s living room or in the woods to this false, effeminate harlot of a church in the grandest cathedral. I keep reminding myself God can be worshipped anywhere, for the days when we may not have our lovely churches and cathedrals.
We are at an impasse. We just wait on God and Our Lady to break it.

If only the good nuns had a bus....

LatinMan says:

@Egyptian – To love is to will the good for somebody. It is easy to love someone you like, but it doesn’t merit you much to do so. Loving someone that you loathe is far more impressive. Of course, tough love in prison with bread and water can still be love.

@abdiesis – God knows His own plans. Our task is to perform our vocations as best we can. Should radioactive fire consume us tomorrow or a plague of rats devour the Lavender Mafia alive at the next Synod, we don’t know.

These are the same bishops whose dioceses are cry and bicker about how few visions they have. But their bloodlust for the abolition for tradition overtakes their willingness to fix the problems at hand. It is like using a flamethrower to put out a fire that is burning down your house while a fireman argues that water is evil and outdated.

Maybe they are going to be like the contemplative sisters of St John who weren’t really destroyed, they left their vows from that institute and then put on traditional habits and started a new public association of the faithful called the Sisters of Mary Morningstar under a bishop who was happy to support them. I would think it is not impossible to find a bishop who would like some sisters of that sort to run elder care homes. Who knows what was the issue the bishop had that rejected them. Maybe it was hard to continue to have a priest available to them who would say Latin Novus Ordo Mass, and they were insisting.

To WmHesch, celibate women in private vows are often treated as nothing in the church–how they are regarded depends on the priest and situation but often even good priests will relentlessly treat their espousal to Christ and consecration as null, as no vocation at all, as something to try to break the woman of, their self-giving to Christ regarded as meaningless and unwanted by the Church, it can be a VERY different experience than the honor and reverence as for persons sacred to and loved by Jesus that public consecrated women are afforded. Some women, including those who have some type of impediment to becoming a sister, have no choice but to respond to Christ the Bridegroom faithfully and lovingly while being rejected, but if these women, who apparently are the kind of people considered to be of value for religious life, can find an approved way it would be so much better. Setting themselves up as “sisters” in some kind of very visible way is inconsistent with a “private” vocation anyway. It would not be welcomed or healthy.

@jazzclass – I have a similar analogy for Socialism:
Fighting greed with envy is like trying to put out a fire with plutonium; not only is the fire still burning, but it’s radioactive too.

This is horrible, and indeed what is happening to Christ’s is devasting. But in times like these, I take strength knowing that the early Church, with all if its Martyrs and Saints had it MUCH WORSE, yet persevered. How many Christians were slaughtered DAILY in the Circuses throughout the Empire? Ask yourself, if you and your family were in mortal danger due to your faith in Christ, how would you react?

Elizabeth D. wrote, ” if these women can find an approved way it would be so much better, . . . it would be so much better . . .

“Setting themselves up as ‘sisters’ in some kind of very visible way is inconsistent with a ‘private’ vocation anyway. It would not be welcomed or healthy.”

A “way approved” by whom?

I wonder how communities of faithful Catholic monks and nuns managed when the storm of Arianism swept over the Church. Many formerly Catholic princes and bishops became Arians, and considered Roman Catholics to be enemies. A similar thing seems to have been underway in our own time, in the form of the heresy of Modernism.

The time may have arrived when we as faithful Catholics need to bring out the “Creative Minority” in ourselves, and “hagan lío”! . . . by reviving old traditions like the way of life of the medieval Third Orders. In those day, these sisters wore the habit, and sometimes lived at home with their parents, and sometimes lived in communities. Unlike the cloistered nuns who almost never set foot outside their monastery, the Third Order sisters performed active works of mercy. And they usually had to continue to support themselves with paid work. (And it’s not true that medieval women didn’t do paid work! Many earned their keep, especially by weaving, sewing, lace-making, embroidering, growing, processing, and selling fruits, vegetables and herbs, etc., working as domestic servants, etc.)

In spite of the heresy of Modernism, which has infected the Church even to its highest echelons, there will always be people who are called to serve God by taking that extra step of pursuing a life of utter self-renunciation in favor of the Kingdom. In today’s Modernist climate, in order to protect that very vocation, it seems it has become necessary to find ways to avail themselves of the structure and mutual support of some form of community life, but without much official oversight by organs of the present Church . . . at least, for now.

Mary Queen of Virgins, may be depended upon to find a way!

The good bishop in question, by the way, only has 31 parishes left (N.B.: in 1965 there were almost 300), and hardly enough priests under retirement age to serve them, from what I can make out in Kenedy.

I suppose he had a great deal of time on his hands to go smudge them out like a penciled mistake.

It is said that Louis Bouyer once looked over a list of the French bishops appointed by Paul VI, and quipped that it was a list of the “gravediggers” of the Church in France. It looks like their successors have just about completed the cemetery.

In the present climate, what’s the advantage for women religious to be canonically erected at all? Besides reservation of the Sanctissimum.

Couldn’t they just exist as de facto private associations of the faithful with private vows, and the bishop wouldn’t have any more authority over their community than he would over a private home?

Private vows are not the same as public vows. If you’re called to religious life, then you’re better off professing public vows and working with the graces that come with it. This isn’t anything new. Look up St. Mary MacKillop from Australia and what happened to her and her order of Josephites when she reported sexual abuse of minors. The sisters were even denied Requiem Masses when they died.

Hilary White has recently been writing about beguines as a possible short term solution to the crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beguines_and_Beghards

Religious orders should start looking at the fine print of Cor Orans, and realizing that their valuable property may be quite alluring to the Vatican, take steps to place ownership in the hands of those who are not directly answerable to Rome. For all of their attempts, Rome has still not gotten its’ hands on the property of the FFI, from what I understand.