Ad Multos Annos!!!

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Monday, April 1, 2019 - 23:45
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frjustin said...

That English proverb may have had its origin in the vigorous language of the English bible, which unblushingly renders the word without asterisks: "him that pisseth against the wall" (1st Kings 14:10).

However its more recent use is by that connoisseur of English proverbs, that pious American president, Lyndon B. Johnson: "It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in",regarding FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, as quoted in The New York Times (31 October 1971).

Unknown said...

I wonder if those who believe Francis is not the pope have any idea what would happen if he were to be declared such by his cohort. What, actually, would happen? How would yet another candidate be chosen? Would Francis be 'retired' or just told to get out? Would the cardinals elect another man just like him? Is the pool so tainted that we're better off with the devil we know?

Bishop Schneider is truly a voice for sanity. History is a very long story, and if we read history carefully we see Christ Jesus is at the helm of His Church. Is the problem now that we refuse to suffer Francis? Bishop Schneider has said before, and repeats in his long treatment of popes, that we must endure. The future will heal the past.

Bartleby #59 said...

Yes. It is a very dangerous road to move from recognizing that, in fact, the Emperor has no clothes, to no longer treating the Emperor as Emperor based on private judgment. His naked self will still have you dragged to prison.

That doesn't mean that one has to sit around and do nothing or worst still complement his flabbiness on his choice of finery. Besides, those that so greatly wish to immediately move to install a new emperor are not noticing that a great many of those next in line to the throne are equally as naked as the day that they were born.

What to do? Well for starters, know the Faith, live the Faith, and pass it on. Build it up on your own family, your own social circles, your own parish, your own city, etc. where one's abilities and stations in life are. The Faith doesn't fall from the lips of a Pope, as if he were some oracle. He is only its steward. All of us, from laymen to Pope have a solum duty to conform and to be formed by the Faith. If we put on and wear the armor of Faith, it becomes readily apparent who is prancing around naked and who is not.

Let me put it this way...if you have better clothing than the Emperor, will that not shame him into putting something on?

 

Aqua said...

And still, no one deals with the elephant in the Vatican. Named Emeritus. Just pretend it is normal. Ignore the old man who can’t seem to find appropriate non-Papal garb or suitable off-site quarters in all of Rome.

The heresy is not the point. I would expect nothing less under these conditions. Heresy is a symptom. It is not the core problem.

Where is Emeritus Contemplative Pope authorized in Scripture or Tradition?

1569 Rising said...

Father,

I was always under the impression that the famous "Enemies in the tent....." statement was uttered by the late President Lyndon Baines Johnson, talking about his rivals for the Senate seat in Texas.

But, that doesn't mean he thought of it first.

jane perdue said...

I agree. Taking the long view of history does not preclude taking prudent and courageous Catholic action within our sphere of influence, as you so admirably demonstrate, Father.

 

E sapelion said...

I wonder what are these 'fortified self-certainties' of which you write?
I have not known a previous pope to speak so much of the mistakes he has made, and to apologise for his errors.

Thomas said...

It strikes me that we shouldn't really say that Catholics believe 'the Pope is infallible', but rather than papal teaching is infallible under certain conditions. It is not the man but the teaching that is without error when a pope solemnly defines some point of the core content of the Apostolic Tradition. Of course, that means that in those circumstances the individual must be given some grace pertaining to his unique office in the Church in order to carry out his job of confirming the brethren in the one, true faith. But infallibility is not an infused charism of the person, nor even, as such, of the office he holds, exalted though that is and due such great respect and obedience in all things but sin (heresy is a sin). Infallibility,it seems to me, is a divinely guaranteed characteristic of the teaching given by the man in that office in those circumstances. Does that sound right? I'm more than happy to be corrected if it's wrong.

josee allyn said...

Surely the remarks about urinating in tents come from Araby? Impoverished
as Britain is now we don't live in tents, yet.

The Saint Bede Studio said...

Perhaps the College of Cardinals or the bishops have no authority in Scripture or Tradition to depose a Pope. Bishop Scheider explains this quite clearly. Is this the role of these Colleges? No. So let us not consider this further. But perhaps it is the role of the College of Cardinals and the bishops to define more clearly the role of the Supreme Pontiff and to put into place clear guidelines of what is expected of the Bishop of Rome. AND what is not to be tolerated from him.

I suppose some would object "No one would agree on this". The role of the Bishoo of Rome is a more important topic for a Synod than what has been held thus far in this Pontificate. The Pope is not required to use microphones, have a twitter account, give press interviews, have his daily sermons published etc. He ought, however, involve the College of Cardinals in his teaching office in a way that is not just nominal. The Pope is not a super-human or demigod. Let his Office be venerated but his teaching and praxis guided by those who elected him. A Council of Eight Cardinals has little value unless it is elected by the College of Cardinals itself. The Church cannot afford another rogue Pope, ruling by whim.

 

 

 

 

 

Own comment: 

First of all, let me just write that I am in agreement with Bishop Athanasius Schneider that a pope cannot be deposed lawfully. I am in disagreement with him that all we can do is sit back and pray, however. He can be deposed 'unlawfully' - whether that means drowning him in the Tiber or kicking his big ass back to Argentina is beyond my realm of speculation -, or be declared self-deposed on account of heresies- At the very least he can be opposed vigorously, something which has not happened.

As for Bergoglio keeping his enemies closer and how sending Müller away might have been a mistake, a mistake perhaps now repeated with Schneider, I can only write: No dictator would dream of better 'enemies' than Bergoglio has. With enemies like these, who needs allies? They do his bidding. Even when they criticise some of his points they go to great lengths to point out that he is orthodox, which can only leave one wondering whether "he", or "orthodox" mean the same things to them as to the rest of us, or whethery by "the pope is orthodox" they perhaps mean another resident of the Vatican.

Furthermore it is extremely uncharitable of Bishop Schneider to compare Honorius or John XXII with Bergoglio. One of them failed to defend the faith with all his strength, and perhaps wrote dubious correspondence, whereas the other advanced a heretical notion in a private sermon, which he later recanted. None of them spread heresy from the Chair of St. Peter or in official Church documents. If Pope Honorius could be declared excommunicated for not opposing a heresy strongly enough, what chance does Bergoglio have to avoid condemnation once the Church becomes Catholic again? These people were saints compared to the cretinous minion of Satan who poses as pope today.

At best we can say that the issue of a heretical pope cannot be settled on Tradition since we have never had a raving unapologetic heretic before, an atheist by all appearances. If we can't depose him legally  - and I grant that - then we can at least agree to oppose him,  ridicule him, mock him, counteract his every move and the bishops have to take the lead on this, not offer faint praise and mild corrections for things which at any other sane time in the Church's history would have seen the man hanged or burned for heresy, or at the very least, hounded out from his palace - or homo-hotel, as the case would have it.