That Christianity gives joy and breadth is also a thread that runs through my whole life. Ultimately someone who is always only in opposition could not endure life at all.
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Jack, رشاد بن ابو رشاد , Amateur Brain Surgeon , OreamnosAmericanus , Banshee
Jack said...
« But what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son; for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the free woman. » Gal 4:30
28 September, 2019
رشاد بن ابو رشاد said...
House of Abraham? They should call it what it actually is: a mosque with an "ecumenical" spin.
When I was in Istanbul last, I visited the Grand Mosque of Sulyman. They had these placards set up in the enterance and about the interior, and were handing out pamphlets explaining how Islam includes all other historic monotheisms, that Hebrew and Christian "prophets" (to include Christ, or Isa) are included in the Islamic tradition. They actually had a large chart displayed, with the lineage prophets in a sort of family tree culminating in Muhammad, the seal of the prophets.
I'd knew that they claimed this, but it was interesting seeing the claim so baldly made to all the tourists. It all had a very odd "new agey" vibe to me, like you get from the Bahai, and it felt sort of sinister. It just reinforces the point that Islam is syncretist in this sense, so long as all other monoteists are subordinated to themselves.
28 September, 2019 Amateur Brain Surgeon said...
Dear Father. One hopes there will be a resource room dedicated to explaining how it was that The Archangel Gabriel told holy Mary that she would bear the son of God (Luke 1:35) but then - about six centuries later- Gabriel supposedly visited Mahomet and told him that Jesus is not the son of God and that Allah curses Him (Sura 9:30)
O well, one can be sure that everything is jake because we are forever being told the Muslims worship the same God as we do.
28 September, 2019
OreamnosAmericanus said...
“Abrahamic” is just “Judeo-Christian” 2.0.
In both cases, a Public Relations term was concocted and dressed up as theology. The point? To grant insider status to and to make “one of us” and “just like you” two antagonistic outsider groups who have never been “one of us” and are definitely “not like you.” In both cases, the newly minted “one of us” set about undoing everything that has made us us.
“Judeo-Christian” has allowed Jews to claim Western civilization as just as much theirs as ours. As a very former Jewish friend told me, revealing the arrogance inside this supposedly friendly lingo, “The Jews civilized Europe.” The other side of that narrative, though, is their “Holocaust”, proudly granting them lacrimose Eternal Victim status no matter how wealthy and powerful they are. Their current status in the real world would make Solomon’s jaw drop with envy.
“Abrahamic” allows Christendom’s 1400-year old implacable enemy, the armed theocracy of imperialist Mohammedanism, to move in next door and claim to be “just as English as you are, mate.” 9/11 and 7/7 and all the blood rest, well, that's just Islamophobia.
Bogus lies both of them: “Abrahamic” and “Judeo-Christian.” And European Christians, worn out and infiltrated by two centuries of 1789 propaganda and two suicidal intra-European wars, gave up the ghost. Pope Francis is no accident, Father. No accident.
28 September, 2019
Banshee said...
Islam does a fair number of sacrifices of goats, camels, etc., but they usually do them outdoors somewhere. Our local mosque bought a picnic ground (historically pretty common around here for minority ethnic groups of religions) so that they can do sacrifices in privacy but outside (not historically common here).I
But yes, the whole concept of a House of Abraham is silly. All the ancient shrines that make provision for pilgrims of various religions end up periodically becoming property of just one, or having elaborate security provisions.
30 September, 2019
I suppose 'Abrahamaic house' can take its place next to many other idiotic terms in the long litanies of Novus Ordo contortions foisted upon the world since Vatican II.
I doubt it will come to fruition. However, as OreamnosAmericanus writes, this is just judeo-Christian 2.0 because if that horryfing terminology can be accepted there is no reason why this should be considered any more odious.